molly
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Post by molly on Oct 2, 2004 16:08:57 GMT -5
Hey Y'all! Sometimes I go back through the threads to see what topics we have discussed. As you can see I went way back for this one. I don't think anyone ever answered any of these questions! Problem is I can't remember where I got this from. Mini-Series or Truth « Thread started on: Nov 7th, 2003, 8:01pm » Hello Board. As we all know there are people that think Otis William's mini-series is The Truth,The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth!!!! Can we tell Truth from Drama? Truth or Drama Al Bryant sang lead on "Come On." Berry Gordy was a "big deal" by the time Melvin and Otis met him in the men's room. The first time Melvin met Berry Gordy was in the men's room with Otis. Melvin invited Eddie and Paul into the group. Otis didn't think it was such a great idea. The decision to add David to the group was a spur of the moment decision that occurred at Mama Rose's table. David couldn't care less about Dennis and didn't know who he was until he jumped onstage with them at that concert. David, Dennis and Eddie began touring with their own group of Temptations in the mid to late 1970's. Melvin died in Mama Roses kitchen. After his death, David's body lay unclaimed in the morgue for a week. I found these fact/drama on a Temptation website. I will post the web address once we all speak on it
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Post by Eddiesluv on Oct 2, 2004 16:22:16 GMT -5
David, Dennis and Eddie began touring with their own group of Temptations in the mid to late 1970's.
I know Eddie was still touring by himself in the mid to late 70s with his own band everything. I saw his show during that time period.
Now if I recall correctly, there was an interview with all three together in which they stated that they didn't make the decision to tour together until after they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think it was Dennis who suggested they get together and tour. I think that was an interview on some NY AM type tv show.
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Post by Common on Oct 5, 2004 11:08:12 GMT -5
The first time Melvin met Berry Gordy was in the men's room with Otis.Melvin had stated in one of the Motown books that he used to run errands for BG's mother, Bertha. BG's mom & his mother were in a club of some sort. Anyway, it's always been told by O that he alone met BG in the bathroom. I don't recall Melvin being there.
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Oct 7, 2004 21:08:13 GMT -5
Being an Emerging Ruffian with who has channeled the C4 (I have removed the greasy one for contextual purposes) (okay I'm filled with bull twinkie but I shall plunge on) I do not believe 95% of what is in the greasy one's book or the mini-series. Why you ask? I shall tell you. I view the C4 + the stumbling one's performances on a fairly regular basis, okay i watch their performances daily. When I look at Ruffin, I see perfection. I see a man that hits his mark with precision and grace. Never a missed step. And lets not even discuss the voice! Again, perfection. And the stage presence? Watching Ruffin is like watching a Shakespearean play. With each utterance, each note, with each movement in that skinny man's body the excitement grows and grows until it reaches a crescendo leaving me (and I'm sure others) weakened, awe struck and inspired by the greatness of DER. Now while viewing DER something will catch my eye or rather disturb my mind. That something or rather the obstruction interupts the flow of the C4's performances. That something usually is facing left when everyone else has turned right, missing steps, and looking like a fish out of water. In my mind it was the greasy obstruction who perhaps was unable to perform consistently every night. The greasy one appeared to be the one addled with drugs or other intoxicants. I'm of the belief that David, being the creative person that he was missed performances and became difficult to work with to some because he did have issues with the money the group received from Motown and he was convinced that the group's name should have been changed. To me, whatever the greasy obstruction thought he would gain by disparaging the memories of DER, EJK, and PW backfired on him.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Oct 8, 2004 15:22:49 GMT -5
Hey EmergingRuffian...I was just getting ready to light a cigarette after reading your description of Ruff! ;D It seems The Greazy One just don't get no love on this board! ;D ;D Check out Greazy's book...page 87...
It was one thing for Cholly to dream up these things, but it was something else for US to learn. Of course, Paul had started US, and he'd even made a dancer out of me, the kid whose dance-hall name was "Wallflower." But as good as WE were with that, Cholly took us into a whole other dimension. On average, learning a new routine took about two or three weeks of dance rehearsals for five or six hours a day. And while Cholly was a gentleman in all respects, he could be tough. His goal was to turn out acts with routines so ingrained in their minds that once the opening chords of any song hit your ears, your body went on automatic pilot. I could remember going home after a long rehearsal, sitting down to watch television, and in my head hearing a little voice saying, "Kick, step, two, three, turn, one tow, three." In the studio Cholly didn't allow one iota of deviation, and if you messed up, he'd let you know it. We'd be sweating and concentrating, then one guy would miss something, and Cholly would yell, "YOU GREASY SNOTSUCKER! CAN YOU COUNT?" "Pops, why do you have to call ME that?" I asked once. "I don't know. Because YOU are! Now come on," he'd reply as he marched over and grabbed one of us by the wrist and start walking him thru the steps.
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Post by Eddiesluv on Oct 8, 2004 18:11:40 GMT -5
"The greasy one appeared to be the one addled with drugs or other intoxicants."
Thats got to be one for the ages! ROFLMAO!!!! ;D
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Post by Eddiesluv on Oct 8, 2004 18:12:46 GMT -5
Hey EmergingRuffian...I was just getting ready to light a cigarette after reading your description of Ruff! ;D It seems The Greazy One just don't get no love on this board! ;D ;D Check out Greazy's book...page 87... It was one thing for Cholly to dream up these things, but it was something else for US to learn. Of course, Paul had started US, and he'd even made a dancer out of me, the kid whose dance-hall name was "Wallflower." But as good as WE were with that, Cholly took us into a whole other dimension. On average, learning a new routine took about two or three weeks of dance rehearsals for five or six hours a day. And while Cholly was a gentleman in all respects, he could be tough. His goal was to turn out acts with routines so ingrained in their minds that once the opening chords of any song hit your ears, your body went on automatic pilot. I could remember going home after a long rehearsal, sitting down to watch television, and in my head hearing a little voice saying, "Kick, step, two, three, turn, one tow, three." In the studio Cholly didn't allow one iota of deviation, and if you messed up, he'd let you know it. We'd be sweating and concentrating, then one guy would miss something, and Cholly would yell, "YOU GREASY SNOTSUCKER! CAN YOU COUNT?" "Pops, why do you have to call ME that?" I asked once. "I don't know. Because YOU are! Now come on," he'd reply as he marched over and grabbed one of us by the wrist and start walking him thru the steps.Dang! Even Cholly called him greasy!
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Oct 8, 2004 21:50:21 GMT -5
Thanks Bees. I wish I could have been the editor for the Greazy One's book. I would have rewritten that whole section to read something like this........Cholly knew I was afflicted with the two clubbed feet syndrome. While the other guys were able to pick up the dances fairly quickly and execute the moves with sex appeal, accuracy and precision, I, on the other hand, need six weeks to become barely adequate.........The Greazy One will never get any love from me.
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molly
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Post by molly on Oct 9, 2004 10:58:20 GMT -5
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Post by molly on Oct 9, 2004 10:59:31 GMT -5
Dang! Even Cholly called him greasy! LOL!LOL!LOL! If I was O I would have left this out! LOL!LOL!
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Post by der68 on Oct 9, 2004 16:50:03 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;DCholly sure didn't lie! Otis has always been greazy! ;D ;D ;D ;DAnd never could dance.
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Post by Queenie on Oct 10, 2004 6:30:52 GMT -5
Thanks Bees. I wish I could have been the editor for the Greazy One's book. I would have rewritten that whole section to read something like this........Cholly knew I was afflicted with the two clubbed feet syndrome. While the other guys were able to pick up the dances fairly quickly and execute the moves with sex appeal, accuracy and precision, I, on the other hand, need six weeks to become barely adequate.........The Greazy One will never get any love from me. Yes Indeed EmergingRuffian, I wish you were the editor of the book and the miniseries... You may I rephrase the word "YOU" tell it like it is... Ditto, I have no respect for the man because he is not willing to tell the truth about his part in the group. He was a back ground singer who happens to be living off DER's, EJK's and PW's accomplishments not someone who is the founder of the group DUMP FOOL...
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Oct 10, 2004 19:50:43 GMT -5
It is high time the truth is told. I believe that a few of the posters can get together and write the definitive book on the Temptations and Motown..........We are all talented people, this can be a labor of love. I believe we do have a published author that visits from time to time. Just a thought.....
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Post by BeesNVMe on Oct 10, 2004 20:04:24 GMT -5
That sounds like a good idea...but...how are we gonna split the profits? ;D
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Oct 10, 2004 20:08:26 GMT -5
hehehe Bees. This would be a labor of love! All profits will go to the families of DER, EJK, and PW!
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