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Post by Queenie on Nov 29, 2003 8:58:18 GMT -5
Hi Temp lovers I am new to this sensational group and enjoy all the members comments. Otis's loosley based Tempation Movie bought me into the foe and I knew I want to know about these very talented young men especially David. If any you knows how I can buy some footage of the Temps doing their thing, please let me know. So far I have purchased Ed Sullivan with the Motor Review (None of David's performance was on the tape and yes I was mad) The Dancin'in the Street" performance with Eddie Kendricks, I really did not like it. What I am looking for is early performance of the Classic 5 singing all those great hits... I moreover, bought Live Temptation which is priceless, Temptation My girl, I lost my mind.
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Post by Common on Nov 29, 2003 12:07:14 GMT -5
Welcome NewDavidFan! We'll only be too happy in helping you in your search for C5 footage. I have "Dancin" as well & while I thought Eddie & David did a wonderful job as far as performing, it's hard for me to look at because of David's condition. Could you tell us what you didn't like about the video?
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Post by Queenie on Nov 29, 2003 13:16:40 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I like what I saw but, I want to see the Classic 5 in action!! I want to see all the members show their stuff. Like I said I bought music with the Classic 5 singing those greatest hits and now I want to see the men in action. I truly enjoy seeing the love between Eddie and David a bound that can never be broken no matter what problems they were going through they remaind friends. By reading some of the messages on the board, majority of the group can remember those boys who made every one lose their mines. I can't because I was so young and by the time I knew any of the Temps the group became a revolving door to anyone wants to be in the group. So members I have to live vicarously through you guys when you said you had to be there.
One more thing, I only learn of Temps through Otis Williams rendtion of the famous brothers. I knew I want to know more about them because a lot of things just did not add up. For example Otis presence in the group. For someone who sung background he sure did have a lot of say so in the group affairs. That is just like Tito of the Jackson 5 singing all the lead songs. If my memory serves me corect if Tito walk off the face of the earth, the public would not care. ::)Seems to me and anyone can shared with this discussion Paul was more of the leader and everyone else including Otis followed his lead. I think in the group you were vote the unwritten manager by your age.
Do the manager of the Shelly Berger keeps in touch with the families of the other members. I listen to David last interview and he said he was hoping the group will get back together.
I think it is a shame that Otis and Melvin could not swollow their pride and reach out to the brothers whom call themselves Temptation. Paul would have smile from the grave.
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Post by molly on Nov 29, 2003 15:05:34 GMT -5
Welcome NewDavidFan. I agree with so many of your views. I don't know how Otis had so much control and the least amount of talent. I don't however think that Melvin had the same issues as Otis. I believe a lot of Otis decisions were made because of jealousy. I truly think that Melvin was convinced that these decisions were made for the good of the group. I have never heard David say anything derogatory about Melvin.
Hearing the songs is one thing,but you're right seeing the 5 perform is wonderful. Once you see the footage it is easy to why they are legends.
Welcome to the Palace.
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Post by Queenie on Nov 29, 2003 15:15:48 GMT -5
The man of his statue will go so low to tear the reputations of the other members. Since I am new to the Classic 5, I bought Otis's book to get some insight of the group. After reading the book, I threw the book to the wall. His hate for the fallen comrades is unblieveable. I guess Jealousy is a powerful thing even if the guy is dead. Can anyone share any light why he hate his fellow brothers so much? Was he the lead and they gave it to Eddie, David, Paul? The name of the group should be Otis and The Temptations? Barry Gordy made him Vice President of Motownand took the title once joining the group? Smokey Robinson stole his hits? David Ruffin was marry to Jo? What is it?
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Post by Common on Nov 29, 2003 17:42:35 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I like what I saw but, I want to see the Classic 5 in action!! I want to see all the members show their stuff. Like I said I bought music with the Classic 5 singing those greatest hits and now I want to see the men in action. I truly enjoy seeing the love between Eddie and David a bound that can never be broken no matter what problems they were going through they remaind friends. By reading some of the messages on the board, majority of the group can remember those boys who made every one lose their mines. I can't because I was so young and by the time I knew any of the Temps the group became a revolving door to anyone wants to be in the group. So members I have to live vicarously through you guys when you said you had to be there. One more thing, I only learn of Temps through Otis Williams rendtion of the famous brothers. I knew I want to know more about them because a lot of things just did not add up. For example Otis presence in the group. For someone who sung background he sure did have a lot of say so in the group affairs. That is just like Tito of the Jackson 5 singing all the lead songs. If my memory serves me corect if Tito walk off the face of the earth, the public would not care. ::)Seems to me and anyone can shared with this discussion Paul was more of the leader and everyone else including Otis followed his lead. I think in the group you were vote the unwritten manager by your age. Do the manager of the Shelly Berger keeps in touch with the families of the other members. I listen to David last interview and he said he was hoping the group will get back together. I think it is a shame that Otis and Melvin could not swollow their pride and reach out to the brothers whom call themselves Temptation. Paul would have smile from the grave. NewDavidFan- It's okay. I don't watch the video much myself because it's hard for me to take. I want to cry everytime I see David & the shape he was in. But yet, he was still giving 100% of himself. Some part of it just saddens me. LOL@ the Tito Jackson statement! HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! I don't know when or how did O became leader but I think he got the title because he was the alleged "founder" of the group. Soooooooooo your guess is as good as mine. I tend to agree with Tony Turner's comment when he said that the Tempts were a joint venture. Even Eddie said that in Street Gold. So obviously, someone did a lot of a**kissin & snitchin to get to the position they have. No, I highly doubt that Shelly knows that these families exist much less keep in contact. I think there was so much water under the bridge that it was unlikely that the group could ever unite again. Especially, since David was his own man & wasn't about to take orders from O. That's interesting that, though, that David expressed a desire to want to sing with the group again. It's a question we'll never know the answer to.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Nov 29, 2003 17:48:14 GMT -5
Welcome to The Palace, NewDavidFan. Glad to have you here! I see you have a lot of questions about Otis...hmmm. I, too agree with most of your views. Personally, I think Otis just wanted to be a leader of a group. It is evident from the very beginning. According to his movie, it was Otis Williams and The Distants...Otis Williams and The Siberians. Did you see how he acted when Melvin brought Paul and Eddie into the group? It seemed he really did not want them there. Oh, the look he gave Melvin. I guess he had no choice but to accept them because they were so very talented. I think somewhere, it is embedded in his mind that he is still with The Distants and he is the leader. I don't think he had any real say so in the group until he had run The Big Three away. He could call himself the boss then, afterall, who was going to tell him that he wasn't? surely, Melvin wouldn't because I think he looked to Otis for reassurance or approval. Had Melvin been more vocal, maybe the group would have lasted a little longer. Perhaps, it was meant to be. Despite all the inner turmoil they had, they have still emerged as the greates group ever. No group can or ever will match The Classic Five. They made beautiful music. I guess everything has it's price.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Nov 29, 2003 17:51:06 GMT -5
Hey Common! What's poppin? Like Eddie said on Street Gold..."I brought a half and he brought a half...mine was just a little bit better...so I thought." Eddie said it so matter of factly, I just have to take his word for it whether I believe him or not!
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Post by Common on Nov 29, 2003 18:00:06 GMT -5
Hey Common! What's poppin? Like Eddie said on Street Gold..."I brought a half and he brought a half...mine was just a little bit better...so I thought." Eddie said it so matter of factly, I just have to take his word for it whether I believe him or not! Hey CP! LMAO!!! That's EXACTLY how Mr. Kendrick summarized it!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And the way Eddie said, it was oh-so-matter-of-factly! ;D ;D
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Post by molly on Nov 29, 2003 18:36:08 GMT -5
:DLOL!LOL! I hate to be the "Echo" in the Palace, but I just watched footage of that interview. LOL!LOL! Eddie was so cool. He made that stament so matter of factly. Everytime I watch it I laugh out loud,cause he wasn't lying LOL!LOL! I agree with CP regarding O's fixation on being the Self-Appointed Leader. Otis couldn't stand it when people started paying attention to David,on stage and off. he also heard talk about the group should be called David Ruffin and The Temptations,cause David wasn't the only one saying it. Otis couldn't run David or Eddie and thats where part of the problem arose. David and Eddie both had questions about the money. Eddie wasn't easy and he wasn't afraid to stand up to big O. David was the easier of the 2 to get rid of first,cause you know our boy was kinda cutting up. So the "Greazy" one was more than happy to get rid of him. I believe Eddie left because of what happened to David. Initially David did want to rejoin the group,but once he went solo he wasn't about to listen to O. But those brothers made musical history together,and influenced a lot of today's groups. "Temptations Forever"
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Post by BeesNVMe on Nov 29, 2003 18:46:42 GMT -5
Hey Molly! I think that David was flat out tricked out of the group by Berry. I think Berry Shorty promised David that solo so he would leave the group. Once 'they' got him out of the group, Berry had him where he wanted him...out. Berry would not promote DR and didn't want anyone else to have him, so he squashed his career. Berry knew that if David were properly promoted, he would have been a goldmine. Berry did not want David to make money, did not want anyone else to make money...and if Berry couldn't make that money wudn't nobody gonna make any! Hell, David was on punishment for the rest of his life!
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Post by Queenie on Nov 29, 2003 19:12:03 GMT -5
Question to the group:
I ordered a video from Street regarding the three tenors of the Temptation. Can you please tell me what I should expect from this VHS. Remember I am new to your message boards therefore; Otis has educated me regarding the group by telling his life story about the Temps. I just what to know the Truth. What that man put (Otis with lies) me through I don't know why I have not went to the hospital.
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Post by Queenie on Nov 29, 2003 19:36:44 GMT -5
Thanks for all the insights. Ever since I start digging into their personal lives of each member, I knew these young fellas were being used from the man who promoted them in the first place. I blieve that is the reason why David, Paul and Eddie's attuide changed. They woke up to understand their banking account should more than 5.00. I am sorry group I have to reference some thing Otis said in his bio (movie). Barry wanted to changed the direction of the group by promoting them to a quote unquote larger audience. Their music was already crossing over I think Barry did not know what POP charts stand for so he had to go and get Shelly Berger to tell them. The boys were being used and my man Otis could not see that I guess it was David fault they were not successful.
You guys need to stop fighting with Otis and listen to what he is saying because he is the man!!!!
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Post by molly on Nov 29, 2003 21:03:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the insights. Ever since I start digging into their personal lives of each member, I knew these young fellas were being used from the man who promoted them in the first place. I blieve that is the reason why David, Paul and Eddie's attuide changed. They woke up to understand their banking account should more than 5.00. I am sorry group I have to reference some thing Otis said in his bio (movie). Barry wanted to changed the direction of the group by promoting them to a quote unquote larger audience. Their music was already crossing over I think Barry did not know what POP charts stand for so he had to go and get Shelly Berger to tell them. The boys were being used and my man Otis could not see that I guess it was David fault they were not successful. You guys need to stop fighting with Otis and listen to what he is saying because he is the man!!!! You're Joking Right? I know you're not serious about Otis being the man. Because then my question to you is what contribution did he Really make to the group,that would have set him apart. I know of none!!! Not one. Least talented,Least recognized,Least Sought after. David Ruffin was with the The Temptations for about 4 years, a very short time. Still he is the Most recognized member of them all. He is still recognized as being the "Most" Talented of the classic 5 and for very good reason. BTW what hit single did Otis Williams sing lead on,for some reason I can't remember.
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Post by molly on Nov 29, 2003 21:11:25 GMT -5
Hey Molly! I think that David was flat out tricked out of the group by Berry. I think Berry Shorty promised David that solo so he would leave the group. Once 'they' got him out of the group, Berry had him where he wanted him...out. Berry would not promote DR and didn't want anyone else to have him, so he squashed his career. Berry knew that if David were properly promoted, he would have been a goldmine. Berry did not want David to make money, did not want anyone else to make money...and if Berry couldn't make that money wudn't nobody gonna make any! Hell, David was on punishment for the rest of his life! Hey CP. I think David was bamboozled by BG's promise's of a Great Solo Careeer. I think BG was playing both sides against the middle. Also some big issues BG had with David was 1-his constant questions about the money.2- Something Barry I believe held against David regarding some thing's that went down with Tammi{to be told in private}. If his aim was to hinder David's career then I have to say he suceeded.
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