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Post by Andy on Apr 25, 2005 6:57:34 GMT -5
Again I offer a polygraph, that would solve it all, right here right now. I'll pick up the tab and offer my apologies provided they pass the test. These apply to ANYONE who had contact with David Ruffin from Wednesday afternoon, May 29th - Saturday morning, June 1, 1991. 1. Who told Eddie Kendrick the briefcase was at the crackhouse? 2. When is the last time you saw David Ruffin alive? 3. Do you know what happened to the money? 4. Did you have contact from Sunday, May 26th to June 11, 1991, with anyone who was last with David Ruffin? 5. Did you and David argue the last time you spoke to him? 6. When did you last see David using drugs of his own free will? 7. What drug was he using? 8. Was David Ruffin intentionally overdosed by someone else? 9. Did David Ruffin overdose on his own? and the kicker... 10. Is David Ruffin the only person, you've known, to have died as a result of a drug overdose? I thought you promised to stay away. Don't prove yourself a liar, Drex.
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 7:02:44 GMT -5
To Drex: Let me ask several questions and then I'm through with this. I know I'll get alot of evasive answers but here it goes: 1. Say that Diane Showers is a 'co-conspirator' in 'setting up' Ruffin, then what will become of the information that you gathered? 2. Is this going to the police? 3. Are you hoping that the Philadelphia DA will re-open the case under the guise of 'circumstantial' evidence or do you have actual 'physical' evidence to prove that this woman, along with those 2 men you are talking about, had some 'hand' in Ruffin's death? 4.What is the motive that she and the other men have to have Ruffin 'killed' or 'robbed'? Exactly what are you trying to prove? 5. Do you have eyewitnesses that are willing to come forward if indeed there is some 'proof' of foul play? 6.If this does go trial or whatever it is that you are hoping to happen, what happens if the co-conspirators are found innocent in a court of law? Then what? 7. Are you prepared if the co-conspirators are found innocent(IF there is ever a trial) that you could be subjected to a lawsuit by these people? BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it?
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:09:02 GMT -5
1. Upon Mr. David's return from Europe and upon learning he left his cash with Mr. Murrell for safe keeping, what was your first response?
You are stupid if you think he really left the damn money with Muurrell.
The Detroit Free Press Monday, June 3, 1991 Ruffin’s friends say singer was killed $35,000 missing: Police seek two men with ex-Temptation as he collapsed at a drug house.
“Shortly after Ruffin’s return, he gave the cash to Butch Murrel, owner of Murrel Limousine Service, for safekeeping, Murrel said Sunday. Murrel, a friend of Ruffin’s, said he often took care of business details for Ruffin, in addition to letting him use his limousines for free. It was a Murrel limousine that dropped Ruffin off at the hospital. Police and Murrel said the driver was not a Murrel employee, but a man both Murrel and Ruffin knew, named Donald Brown. About a week ago, Ruffin asked Murrel for the cash he was holding.”
2. Upon learning that Mr. Murrell said David asked for his money back "about a week ago", and upon learning of David's death and the money was missing, did you contact Mr. Murrell and ask exactly when he gave David the money?
Who told your gullible ass for a fact that Murrell had the money?
According to Murrell's quotes, he did.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:11:32 GMT -5
I thought you promised to stay away. Don't prove yourself a liar, Drex. ...replying to the mention of my name. Don't mention it, I won't post.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Apr 25, 2005 7:22:32 GMT -5
Against my better judgement, I am leaving this post open. However...if it gets out of hand...it will be deleted. Please respond to each other respectfully.
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 7:24:02 GMT -5
To Drex: Let me ask several questions and then I'm through with this. I know I'll get alot of evasive answers but here it goes: 1. Say that Diane Showers is a 'co-conspirator' in 'setting up' Ruffin, then what will become of the information that you gathered? 2. Is this going to the police? 3. Are you hoping that the Philadelphia DA will re-open the case under the guise of 'circumstantial' evidence or do you have actual 'physical' evidence to prove that this woman, along with those 2 men you are talking about, had some 'hand' in Ruffin's death? 4.What is the motive that she and the other men have to have Ruffin 'killed' or 'robbed'? Exactly what are you trying to prove? 5. Do you have eyewitnesses that are willing to come forward if indeed there is some 'proof' of foul play? 6.If this does go trial or whatever it is that you are hoping to happen, what happens if the co-conspirators are found innocent in a court of law? Then what? 7. Are you prepared if the co-conspirators are found innocent(IF there is ever a trial) that you could be subjected to a lawsuit by these people? BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it? Waiting for a response......
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 7:25:20 GMT -5
Against my better judgement, I am leaving this post open. However...if it gets out of hand...it will be deleted. Please respond to each other respectfully. Thank you Bees.
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 7:27:11 GMT -5
Waiting for a response...... I hope you have more time then money ;D ;D ;DBecause Drex is not going to answer anyone. ;D ;D ;D "BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it"?
Not children HP. Child,namely Jr. Drex is concerned with Jr's recieveing that 200.00. Anybody that thinks 200.00 would have "gone along way" is not used to handling money. 200.00 in the 70's was pocket change.
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 7:33:55 GMT -5
I hope you have more time then money ;D ;D ;DBecause Drex is not going to answer anyone. ;D ;D ;D Isn't my questions just as legitimate as hers? Why does Drex expect people to answer her yet when she is a question(s) she refuses to respond? I don't understand that.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:34:37 GMT -5
Isn't my questions just as legitimate as hers? Why does Drex expect people to answer her yet when she is a question(s) she refuses to respond? I don't understand that. I am, give me a sec...
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:35:24 GMT -5
To Drex:
Let me ask several questions and then I'm through with this. I know I'll get alot of evasive answers but here it goes:
1. Say that Diane Showers is a 'co-conspirator' in 'setting up' Ruffin, then what will become of the information that you gathered? I will turn it over to the authorities.
2. Is this going to the police? No, the FEDS is my goal. The PPD dropped the ball, IMO.
3. Are you hoping that the Philadelphia DA will re-open the case under the guise of 'circumstantial' evidence or do you have actual 'physical' evidence to prove that this woman, along with those 2 men you are talking about, had some 'hand' in Ruffin's death? No, I am not “hoping” I am right. I would love to be proven wrong, hence the polygraph. Anyone, including me, has the right to ask for truthful answers to so many inconsistencies.
4.What is the motive that she and the other men have to have Ruffin 'killed' or 'robbed'? Exactly what are you trying to prove?
I am trying to find out why Murrell never mentioned Brown leaving behind the briefcase. Or, why he did not alert authorities that Brown did not tell him such an important fact when Brown returned the limousine. It is recorded Brown dropped Mr. David off at the HUOP at 2:45 A.M. and according to Murrell, Brown returned the limousine at 4:00 A.M., With Mr. David’s cash “missing,” I want to know why Showers and Murrell weren’t standing on their heads upon learning this info. They each had no trouble being in front of the media during those days, but not begging for information or answers. It has been almost 14 years, where was Brown for that hours plus?
5. Do you have eyewitnesses that are willing to come forward if indeed there is some 'proof' of foul play? No.
6.If this does go trial or whatever it is that you are hoping to happen, what happens if the co-conspirators are found innocent in a court of law? Then what?
Then, they can sue me for asking questions about inconsistencies that surfaced when I read THEIR statements, (they had almost 14 years to challenge with the media).
7. Are you prepared if the co-conspirators are found innocent(IF there is ever a trial) that you could be subjected to a lawsuit by these people?
Yes, I am. That is how strongly I feel.
BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it?
Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amount.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:42:22 GMT -5
Against my better judgement, I am leaving this post open. However...if it gets out of hand...it will be deleted. Please respond to each other respectfully. Yes Ma'am.
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 7:51:48 GMT -5
To Drex: Let me ask several questions and then I'm through with this. I know I'll get alot of evasive answers but here it goes: 1. Say that Diane Showers is a 'co-conspirator' in 'setting up' Ruffin, then what will become of the information that you gathered? I will turn it over to the authorities. 2. Is this going to the police? No, the FEDS is my goal. The PPD dropped the ball, IMO. 3. Are you hoping that the Philadelphia DA will re-open the case under the guise of 'circumstantial' evidence or do you have actual 'physical' evidence to prove that this woman, along with those 2 men you are talking about, had some 'hand' in Ruffin's death? No, I am not “hoping” I am right. I would love to be proven wrong, hence the polygraph. Anyone, including me, has the right to ask for truthful answers to so many inconsistencies. 4.What is the motive that she and the other men have to have Ruffin 'killed' or 'robbed'? Exactly what are you trying to prove? I am trying to find out why Murrell never mentioned Brown leaving behind the briefcase. Or, why he did not alert authorities that Brown did not tell him such an important fact when Brown returned the limousine. It is recorded Brown dropped Mr. David off at the HUOP at 2:45 A.M. and according to Murrell, Brown returned the limousine at 4:00 A.M., With Mr. David’s cash “missing,” I want to know why Showers and Murrell weren’t standing on their heads upon learning this info. They each had no trouble being in front of the media during those days, but not begging for information or answers. It has been almost 14 years, where was Brown for that hours plus? 5. Do you have eyewitnesses that are willing to come forward if indeed there is some 'proof' of foul play? No. 6.If this does go trial or whatever it is that you are hoping to happen, what happens if the co-conspirators are found innocent in a court of law? Then what? Then, they can sue me for asking questions about inconsistencies that surfaced when I read THEIR statements, (they had almost 14 years to challenge with the media). 7. Are you prepared if the co-conspirators are found innocent(IF there is ever a trial) that you could be subjected to a lawsuit by these people? Yes, I am. That is how strongly I feel. BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it? Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amount. K. You have answered my questions. I'm satisfied. But now for this comment: Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amount.That's the point I'm trying to make. The money becomes irrevelant after the loss of their father. I did not bring up the money issue, you did. I was just simply stating that kind of money is not much considering what the family is going through at the time. Sure the money 'belongs' to them (and that's questionable since the money the original $40Gs was to be split 3 ways) but it also belongs to Eddie's and Dennis' 'children' too. Don't you think?
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 7:54:16 GMT -5
K. You have answered my questions. I'm satisfied. But now for this comment: Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amount.That's the point I'm trying to make. The money becomes irrevelant after the loss of their father. I did not bring up the money issue, you did. I was just simply stating that kind of money is not much considering what the family is going through at the time. Sure the money 'belongs' to them (and that's questionable since the money the original $40Gs was to be split 3 ways) but it also belongs to Eddie's and Dennis' 'children' too. Don't you think? I completely agree with you.
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Post by Queenie on Apr 25, 2005 8:15:08 GMT -5
This is great time to go on a vacation. .someone imail me when this mess is over ...
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