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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 8:46:27 GMT -5
1. Who told Eddie Kendrick the briefcase was at the crackhouse?Eddie Kendrick has living relatives. Have you spoken to any of them? Part of that money belonged to Dennis Edwards,not to mention he knows the answer to this question, why haven't you spoken to him? You were in Vegas taking pictures with Tunis surely you spoke with Dennis Edwards. Did you and David argue the last time you spoke to him?
Exactly what does the answer to this question have to do with is death? Did you and your ex-husband argue the last time you spoke to him? I have 22 of the articles on disk if you would like for me to help you refresh your memory of statements made by Showers, Murrell, Brown and Nowell.
Please have more than some news paper articles. To my knowledge there is no way to interview an article. I have read post made by you that you have back tracked on. Would you want to be held by every quote attributed to you? What is the problem with answering these questions?The problem is not the questions. The fact of the matter is why answer questions asked by a unknown person that has no ties with the legal community or law enforcement? Many of these questions have been asked and answered. Your job is to find out who has the answers. Difficult to do since you have no "In" to any of these people. Surley Jody has contributed more then a few stale pictures and stories. Why hasn't she gotten you "up close and personal" with some of these people? 2. Is this going to the police? No, the FEDS is my goal. The PPD dropped the ball, IMO.
;D ;D ;D ;DNow you have lost me. ;D ;D ;DPray tell how are the FEDS going to get involved. You do know that the FEDS deal with specific types of cases don't you? Murder,Robbery of an Individual,Drug overdoses are not Federal Offenses. Are the PPD in on this Conspiracy too? I desperately want this question answeredNo, I am not “hoping” I am right. I would love to be proven wrong, hence the polygraph. Anyone, including me, has the right to ask for truthful answers to so many inconsistenciesAt last something we agree on. "Anyone" does have the right to ask questions. "No One" including yourself has the right to expect "anyone" to answer them. Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? Do you really think that anybody that knows anything is going to take a internet detective seriously? Do you think that DS would speak to a person that has openly on the internet made the statements in questioning her integrity and love for David Ruffin that you have about her? There is NO way you could believe that. The polygraph You are the person that has to prove what you are about. You are the unknown in this equasion. Your credibilty and professionalism is what's in question. Everybody know who Shower's,Murrell,Brown and Nowell are. Who are you? What is your agenda? What are your credentials? Why is anyone supposed to trust you? What about YOUR inconsistecies? There are many. Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amountIf you think that David Ruffin would begrudge DS 200.00 then you have no clue about this man. Have you ever stopped to think how much of "her" money went to him? You do know that was not "their" home,it was "hers" don't you? Do you even know the circumstances in which he came to live there? OR "His" financial situation during that time? What do you know of their relationship period? When I say "know" I mean "know" not some stories you have heard from Jody. Because she doesn't know. You have made this a "personal" issue with DS. Why? If all you are after is the "truth" why have YOU made statements that speak to her character? You do not know this woman,yet you speak as if you do.IMO up to this point you have lacked the professionalism that is needed to be taken seriously.
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 8:58:03 GMT -5
Last question Drex I promise. Does Avade and Evade have the same meaning? What leads you to believe that the questions you are asking now,were not asked almost 14 years ago? I guess in your mind all of the people that knew and loved David Ruffin was waiting for a mini-series fan to come along and do that for them. This is a good question to ask Jimmy Ruffin the "next" time you speak to him. Or better yet ask Jody,Genna or Debbie.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 9:45:35 GMT -5
1. Who told Eddie Kendrick the briefcase was at the crackhouse?Eddie Kendrick has living relatives. Have you spoken to any of them? Part of that money belonged to Dennis Edwards,not to mention he knows the answer to this question, why haven't you spoken to him? You were in Vegas taking pictures with Tunis surely you spoke with Dennis Edwards. Did you and David argue the last time you spoke to him?
Exactly what does the answer to this question have to do with is death? Did you and your ex-husband argue the last time you spoke to him? I have 22 of the articles on disk if you would like for me to help you refresh your memory of statements made by Showers, Murrell, Brown and Nowell.
Please have more than some news paper articles. To my knowledge there is no way to interview an article. I have read post made by you that you have back tracked on. Would you want to be held by every quote attributed to you? What is the problem with answering these questions?The problem is not the questions. The fact of the matter is why answer questions asked by a unknown person that has no ties with the legal community or law enforcement? Many of these questions have been asked and answered. Your job is to find out who has the answers. Difficult to do since you have no "In" to any of these people. Surley Jody has contributed more then a few stale pictures and stories. Why hasn't she gotten you "up close and personal" with some of these people? 2. Is this going to the police? No, the FEDS is my goal. The PPD dropped the ball, IMO.
;D ;D ;D ;DNow you have lost me. ;D ;D ;DPray tell how are the FEDS going to get involved. You do know that the FEDS deal with specific types of cases don't you? Murder,Robbery of an Individual,Drug overdoses are not Federal Offenses. Are the PPD in on this Conspiracy too? I desperately want this question answeredNo, I am not “hoping” I am right. I would love to be proven wrong, hence the polygraph. Anyone, including me, has the right to ask for truthful answers to so many inconsistenciesAt last something we agree on. "Anyone" does have the right to ask questions. "No One" including yourself has the right to expect "anyone" to answer them. Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? Do you really think that anybody that knows anything is going to take a internet detective seriously? Do you think that DS would speak to a person that has openly on the internet made the statements in questioning her integrity and love for David Ruffin that you have about her? There is NO way you could believe that. The polygraph You are the person that has to prove what you are about. You are the unknown in this equasion. Your credibilty and professionalism is what's in question. Everybody know who Shower's,Murrell,Brown and Nowell are. Who are you? What is your agenda? What are your credentials? Why is anyone supposed to trust you? What about YOUR inconsistecies? There are many. Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amountIf you think that David Ruffin would begrudge DS 200.00 then you have no clue about this man. Have you ever stopped to think how much of "her" money went to him? You do know that was not "their" home,it was "hers" don't you? Do you even know the circumstances in which he came to live there? OR "His" financial situation during that time? What do you know of their relationship period? When I say "know" I mean "know" not some stories you have heard from Jody. Because she doesn't know. You have made this a "personal" issue with DS. Why? If all you are after is the "truth" why have YOU made statements that speak to her character? You do not know this woman,yet you speak as if you do.IMO up to this point you have lacked the professionalism that is needed to be taken seriously. Why be so defensive about legitimate questions? Neither Dennis, Tunis nor Eddie was in Philadelphia on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991. They went public with their doubts when given the opportunity to do so, either in newspapers or as Mr. Dennis did on Entertainment Tonight. Donald Brown or William Nowell's statements were not collected until Monday, June 3, 1991, yet, someone in Philadelphia knew and told Mr. Eddie via telephone on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991 that the briefcase was at the alleged crackhouse?
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 10:28:13 GMT -5
To Drex: I know I said that I satisfied with the answers that I was given but SarahLee raised an interesting question, which provoked more questions. 1)This starting to sound like you are trying to prove there was some sort of 'conspiracy'? 2) You believe that the PPD and the ME dropped the ball. Why? 3) It seems to me you are 'implying'(don't know if this is the right word) that these agencies were negligent in performing their duties. How can you prove this? 4) Also, if you are questioning the ME's report, are you inquiring for an independent ME and wouldn't that mean exhuming the body(if the family allows this)? 5) I thought you were simply trying to find out what happened to David's money on the night in question? How did it elevate(just basing it on my assumption) to more than just money? 6) You state that you want 'answers' to the questions you are asking from Showers, Brown and Murrell including taking a polygraph. How can you determine that they a) give the 'right' answer(whatever that is) b) expect them to remember every detail that happened on the night in question?
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Post by Brandy on Apr 25, 2005 11:33:52 GMT -5
To Drex: Let me ask several questions and then I'm through with this. I know I'll get alot of evasive answers but here it goes: 1. Say that Diane Showers is a 'co-conspirator' in 'setting up' Ruffin, then what will become of the information that you gathered? I will turn it over to the authorities. 2. Is this going to the police? No, the FEDS is my goal. The PPD dropped the ball, IMO. 3. Are you hoping that the Philadelphia DA will re-open the case under the guise of 'circumstantial' evidence or do you have actual 'physical' evidence to prove that this woman, along with those 2 men you are talking about, had some 'hand' in Ruffin's death? No, I am not “hoping” I am right. I would love to be proven wrong, hence the polygraph. Anyone, including me, has the right to ask for truthful answers to so many inconsistencies. 4.What is the motive that she and the other men have to have Ruffin 'killed' or 'robbed'? Exactly what are you trying to prove? I am trying to find out why Murrell never mentioned Brown leaving behind the briefcase. Or, why he did not alert authorities that Brown did not tell him such an important fact when Brown returned the limousine. It is recorded Brown dropped Mr. David off at the HUOP at 2:45 A.M. and according to Murrell, Brown returned the limousine at 4:00 A.M., With Mr. David’s cash “missing,” I want to know why Showers and Murrell weren’t standing on their heads upon learning this info. They each had no trouble being in front of the media during those days, but not begging for information or answers. It has been almost 14 years, where was Brown for that hours plus? 5. Do you have eyewitnesses that are willing to come forward if indeed there is some 'proof' of foul play? No. 6.If this does go trial or whatever it is that you are hoping to happen, what happens if the co-conspirators are found innocent in a court of law? Then what? Then, they can sue me for asking questions about inconsistencies that surfaced when I read THEIR statements, (they had almost 14 years to challenge with the media). 7. Are you prepared if the co-conspirators are found innocent(IF there is ever a trial) that you could be subjected to a lawsuit by these people? Yes, I am. That is how strongly I feel. BTW, to say that $200 would have 'gone along way' is preposterous. $200 split among 4 people amounts to $50 each and David's 'kids' were grown women (and man) with children. How can $50 go along way during the early '90s with high inflation? That's a quite insulting to David's grown children, isn't it? Is it really about the amount of the money? If it was their father’s, it should have went to them. Regardless of the amount. So in other words you are trying to prosecute Diane? I want to know why Showers and Murrell weren’t standing on their heads upon learning this info. They each had no trouble being in front of the media during those days, but not begging for information or answers. It has been almost 14 years, where was Brown for that hours plus?
Just because she wasn't acting hysterical and crazy in front of the camera to please people that means she didn't care? The media most likely contacted her because she was his fiancee..duh. if somebody else was his fiancee the media would have found a way to contact them too. this b.s is stupid plain and simple
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 11:55:55 GMT -5
Why be so defensive about legitimate questions? Neither Dennis, Tunis nor Eddie was in Philadelphia on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991. They went public with their doubts when given the opportunity to do so, either in newspapers or as Mr. Dennis did on Entertainment Tonight.Drex I am not being defensive. You're asking questions so am I. You're correct Dennis,Eddie nor Tunnis were in Philly. But they spoke with Eddie. DS was not in the "crack" house. DS did not tell anyone to "go" retrieve the briefcase from the "crack" house. Eddie did. Doesn't it make sense to ask someone that "everybody" knows spoke with Eddie the answer to that question? Dennis know's exactly why Eddie made that demand. I'm sure Eddie has discussed this with his family members as well as Jimmy Ruffin. Why wouldn't you ask them? Donald Brown or William Nowell's statements were not collected until Monday, June 3, 1991, yet, someone in Philadelphia knew and told Mr. Eddie via telephone on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991 that the briefcase was at the alleged crackhouse? So it was reported. Again Why didn't you ask Dennis who told Eddie the briefcase was in the "crack" house? You were in Vegas taking pictures with Tunis surely you spoke with Dennis EdwardsWhy can't you answer a few simple questions? 1-Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? 2-Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? 3- Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? 4-Do you think that DS would speak to a person that has openly on the internet made the statements in questioning her integrity and love for David Ruffin that you have about her? 5-Everybody know who Shower's,Murrell,Brown and Nowell are. Who are you? 6-What is your agenda? 7-What are your credentials? 8- Why is anyone supposed to trust you? 9-What about YOUR inconsistecies? There are many. And lastly 10-WHY are you making this Personal in regards to Diane Showers? A woman you have never met? Now with that said,if you're not willing to answer any questions DO NOT come back over here asking any. Just like you have questions about other's motives and actions,People have the same questions about you. Since YOU are the one expecting people to answer YOUR questions then YOU are the one to prove YOUR agenda and motives.
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Post by Brandy on Apr 25, 2005 12:08:04 GMT -5
Why be so defensive about legitimate questions? Neither Dennis, Tunis nor Eddie was in Philadelphia on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991. They went public with their doubts when given the opportunity to do so, either in newspapers or as Mr. Dennis did on Entertainment Tonight. Drex I am not being defensive. You're asking questions so am I. You're correct Dennis,Eddie nor Tunnis were in Philly. But they spoke. DS was not in the "crack" house. DS did not tell anyone to "go" retrieve the briefcase from the "crack" house. Eddie did. Doesn't it make sense to ask someone that "everybody" knows spoke with Eddie the answer to that question? Dennis know's exactly why Eddie made that demand. I'm sure Eddie has discussed this with his family members as well as Jimmy Ruffin. Why wouldn't you ask them? Donald Brown or William Nowell's statements were not collected until Monday, June 3, 1991, yet, someone in Philadelphia knew and told Mr. Eddie via telephone on Saturday morning, June 1, 1991 that the briefcase was at the alleged crackhouse? So it was reported. Again Why didn't you ask Dennis who told Eddie the briefcase was in the "crack" house? You were in Vegas taking pictures with Tunis surely you spoke with Dennis EdwardsWhy can't you answer a few simple questions? Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? 1-Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? 2- Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? 3-Do you think that DS would speak to a person that has openly on the internet made the statements in questioning her integrity and love for David Ruffin that you have about her? 4-Everybody know who Shower's,Murrell,Brown and Nowell are. Who are you? 5-What is your agenda? 6-at are your credentials? 7- Why is anyone supposed to trust you? 8-What about YOUR inconsistecies? There are many. And lastly 9-WHY are you making this Personal in regards to Diane Showers? A woman you have never met? Now with that said,if you're not willing to answer any questions DO NOT come back over here asking any.
Those are great questions you asked Sarahlee... I didn't see you being defensive in asking them. we can say the questions asked by drex was personal meaning trying to get in Diane's personal business for reasons nobody with good common sense will ever understand. Since when has what her and David discussed became the public's business? That's a relationship those two were in not the whole damn world. I don't blame Diane for not getting involved with this circus..the bitter females was out for her before now they've resurfaced
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 12:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 12:18:54 GMT -5
Those are great questions you asked Sarahlee... I didn't see you being defensive in asking them. we can say the questions asked by drex was personal meaning trying to get in Diane's personal business for reasons nobody with good common sense will ever understand. Since when has what her and David discussed became the public's business? That's a relationship those two were in not the whole damn world. I don't blame Diane for not getting involved with this circus..the bitter females was out for her before now they've resurfaced Brandy that's my point! Drex feels she can ask any questions and people Have to answer them. Yet she doesn't answer any about herself. You notice she answers a question with another question. When Drex ask a question it's in the "spirit" of her ::)investigation. When she is asked a question then that person is considered being defensive. She is not a family member,a friend,a loved one not even an acquaintence of David Ruffin. Why should she be trusted or believed? She's just some damn fingers on a damn key board repeating the words written by others.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 12:19:32 GMT -5
To Drex:
I know I said that I satisfied with the answers that I was given but SarahLee raised an interesting question, which provoked more questions.
1)This starting to sound like you are trying to prove there was some sort of 'conspiracy'? Again, these are good questions, I am trying to fill-in-the-blanks with the unknown answers to the holes in the stories and inconsistencies.
2) You believe that the PPD and the ME dropped the ball. Why? I would like to know why the ME released Mr. David's body a day before the PPD sealed and searched the alleged crack house and questioned the last two men to see David before he "took a drug overdose." Isn't this a fair question?
3) It seems to me you are 'implying'(don't know if this is the right word) that these agencies were negligent in performing their duties. How can you prove this? see #2.
4) Also, if you are questioning the ME's report, are you inquiring for an independent ME and wouldn't that mean exhuming the body(if the family allows this)? This is not necessary, the ME report/autopsy & toxicology offer all the information needed.
5) I thought you were simply trying to find out what happened to David's money on the night in question? How did it elevate(just basing it on my assumption) to more than just money? Initially I did, this is a correct assumption, but the more I dug, the more questions arose. There is much defamation to me, my character and my "agenda" but still no sensible answers to questions that once are disclosed, would surely shut me up.
6) You state that you want 'answers' to the questions you are asking from Showers, Brown and Murrell including taking a polygraph. How can you determine that they a) give the 'right' answer(whatever that is) b) expect them to remember every detail that happened on the night in question? How could one forget losing their friend, sometime business partner and fiancee? The only conflict would be when the mind and the mouth are in diagreement with what is remembered and what is said.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 12:29:04 GMT -5
I want to know why Showers and Murrell weren’t standing on their heads upon learning this info. They each had no trouble being in front of the media during those days, but not begging for information or answers. It has been almost 14 years, where was Brown for that hours plus?I want to know HOW you know HOW Diane Showers reacted. This woman worked in the media,she knew how to conduct herself in a interview. Tell me Drex, HOW did Diane Showers take the death of David Ruffin? HOW many of her friends and or associates have you spoken to? The more you speak the more this "investigation" sounds like a "witch hunt". The more you sound "ill" prepared and informed of actual facts. Still no answer, does Showers or does Showers not wonder where Donald Brown was from the time he dropped off David until he returned the limousine? Maybe I should ask at a later time when Sarah Lee is less berieved. If Jody or Genna or anyone else was in the same circumstances or is he had been living with them in their locations, I would be asking the same questions.
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 25, 2005 12:36:13 GMT -5
Still no answer, does Showers or does Showers not wonder where Donald Brown was from the time he dropped off David until he returned the limousine? Maybe I should ask at a later time when Sarah Lee is less berieved. If Jody or Genna or anyone else was in the same circumstances or is he had been living with them in their locations, I would be asking the same questions. Likewise Still no answer... Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? Drex no need to wait for another time. Unless you can be candid about What you are about. Don't ask me anything.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 12:44:05 GMT -5
I am Jane Doe citizen, I have the right to any public information or to question information as a U.S citizen and under the FOIA act. Since no one REALLY knows what happened that night, why so much fuss because I want to know? I've dug around, some things are missing and do not add up, this should be no skin off anyone's nose except "if" the story as was told is not true and they have something to hide. If what was told is true, I'll eventually figure it out, tuck my tail and go away. Fair enough.
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Post by Drex on Apr 25, 2005 13:03:31 GMT -5
Why can't you answer a few simple questions? 1-Why do you feel you are entitled to any answers? Anyone is entitled who cares encough to find out what happened. 2-Are you working on behalf of the Ruffin family? no. 3- Are you gathering information for any law enforcement agency? no. 4-Do you think that DS would speak to a person that has openly on the internet made the statements in questioning her integrity and love for David Ruffin that you have about her? no. I emailed her privately and she has not responded. 5-Everybody know who Shower's,Murrell,Brown and Nowell are. Who are you? Trish Stevens, mother of three and proud grandmother. 6-What is your agenda? To learn the who, what, when, where, why and how of everything that happened the last week of and night that Mr. David died. 7-What are your credentials? I am a citizen, anyone can do the same thing if interested. 8- Why is anyone supposed to trust you? I am not here to secure trust, I am trying to find the factual answers. 9-What about YOUR inconsistecies? There are many. Post them. And lastly 10-WHY are you making this Personal in regards to Diane Showers? This is not personal, she is the last women he lived with. After much review, I question her words. A woman you have never met? Now with that said,if you're not willing to answer any questions DO NOT come back over here asking any. Just like you have questions about other's motives and actions,People have the same questions about you. Since YOU are the one expecting people to answer YOUR questions then YOU are the one to prove YOUR agenda and motives. Well, actually I do not expect any answers here, I am off today and had some free time to play.
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Post by Common on Apr 25, 2005 13:07:22 GMT -5
To Drex: I know I said that I satisfied with the answers that I was given but SarahLee raised an interesting question, which provoked more questions. 1)This starting to sound like you are trying to prove there was some sort of 'conspiracy'? Again, these are good questions, I am trying to fill-in-the-blanks with the unknown answers to the holes in the stories and inconsistencies. 2) You believe that the PPD and the ME dropped the ball. Why? I would like to know why the ME released Mr. David's body a day before the PPD sealed and searched the alleged crack house and questioned the last two men to see David before he "took a drug overdose." Isn't this a fair question? 3) It seems to me you are 'implying'(don't know if this is the right word) that these agencies were negligent in performing their duties. How can you prove this? see #2. 4) Also, if you are questioning the ME's report, are you inquiring for an independent ME and wouldn't that mean exhuming the body(if the family allows this)? This is not necessary, the ME report/autopsy & toxicology offer all the information needed. 5) I thought you were simply trying to find out what happened to David's money on the night in question? How did it elevate(just basing it on my assumption) to more than just money? Initially I did, this is a correct assumption, but the more I dug, the more questions arose. There is much defamation to me, my character and my "agenda" but still no sensible answers to questions that once are disclosed, would surely shut me up. 6) You state that you want 'answers' to the questions you are asking from Showers, Brown and Murrell including taking a polygraph. How can you determine that they a) give the 'right' answer(whatever that is) b) expect them to remember every detail that happened on the night in question? How could one forget losing their friend, sometime business partner and fiancee? The only conflict would be when the mind and the mouth are in diagreement with what is remembered and what is said. I will respond/question to each question that I posted. Here it goes: 1) You said you are still trying to 'connect the dots'(just paraphrasing what you are saying) that there were inconsistancies that you lead to believe there was a conspiracy. Was or Is it conspiracy between Showers, Brown and Murrell or all 3 parties and the law enforcement officials? 2) I guess that question is fair unless one sees the actual police report from that night. I'm assuming there was one? And it sounds like you are 'questioning' whether David died of a drug overdose, seeing as you put in parenthesis. As an assumption, what leads you to believe that he died other than 'a drug overdose'? 3)No need for response on this one. 4)If, for instance, DR did not die of said 'overdose', wouldn't the ME's finding be questioned? Can a ME tell the actual cause of death by just reading the reports? If they do find discrepancies, you are saying that an exhumming the body will not be necessary? I'm just a little confused about this point. 5) Don't you think though, that there is also some 'defamation of character' as it pertains to Diane Showers? It is easy to say that people are trying to 'evade' your questions but as SarahLee pointed out, why should this woman have to talk to you when she can simply tell the same story to a law enforcement official? There has been evasion on your part as well, not to mention accusations that have been made on and about members on this board including myself. Why, after all of this, would expect them to cooperate? What is wrong with people questioning the fact that they are skeptical, not only of this case but of you? I think these questions are fair. Also, how can people answer certain things that they do not know? 6)What I was simply saying is that when things happen at a rapid pace, a person is bound forget certain minor details. It does not mean that they forget everything. That's all I am saying. It has happened time and time again in cases where a person would only remember what they think is the important details but unconsciously forget the minor details. I don't think I'm explaining this in a conherent manner but I think you get the general idea.
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