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Post by Brandy on Apr 25, 2005 23:00:09 GMT -5
lmao! She wasn't in Her and David's relationship either.lmao.lmao! I don't care what Jody has to say. Drex is the one conducting the investigation. That's why I addressed her. Jody doesn't know anything about David's last years because she was not involved in any way in David's life. Jody doesn't know anything about Diane Shower's either. ;D ;D Let her talk. ;D ;D ;DI think she's amusing. ;D ;D You got that right she still hanging on the day he let her touch him"there" that's not a relationship thats a wha BOOTY CALL ;D it's called bitterness some people carry it for ages up until they die..that's simply not healthy lol Yeah amusing in a sad,incoherent way ;D
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Post by Queenie on Apr 26, 2005 3:23:10 GMT -5
You all always mention Jody, then get nasty when she comes and responds. Tisk Tisk Darn straight I do,,, Tell your girl stop patrolling the windows she is an unwelcome guest over here banned at the palace. Jody go back to 3 person board and talk about your three little stories.. Oh I remember when David slap the mess out me because I wouldn't leave him alone. And then..... Tisk Tisk...
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Post by BroMan on Apr 26, 2005 7:53:41 GMT -5
You all always mention Jody, then get nasty when she comes and responds. Tisk Tisk Dats rite. ;D ; ;D Ona Mae Dey wood talk bout yu two iffen yu wuz women enuff tu posk unda ur own name. ;D ;D ;D. Mine ur own biznezz.
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Post by BroMan on Apr 26, 2005 7:58:21 GMT -5
Darn straight I do,,, Tell your girl stop patrolling the windows she is an unwelcome guest over here banned at the palace. Jody go back to 3 person board and talk about your three little stories.. Oh I remember when David slap the mess out me because I wouldn't leave him alone. And then..... Tisk Tisk... Speek on it Sista Gurl. Itz our perogetive whu we talks bout ovah herre. Oh Oh I fills a song comin on. Tale em bout it Bobby! Everybody's talking all this stuff about me Why don't they just let me live? I don't need commission, make my own decisions That's my prerogative
They say I'm crazy I really don't care That's my prerogative They say I'm nasty But I don't give a damn Getting girls is how I live Some messy questions Why am I so real? But they don't undersand me I really don't know the deal about her brother Trying hard to make it right Not long ago Before I win this fight, sing
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me Why don't they just let me live? Tell me why I don't need commission Make my own decisions That's my prerogative It's my prerogative (it's my prerogative)
It's the way that I wanna live (it's my prerogative) I can do just what I feel (it's my prerogative) No one can tell me what to do (it's my prerogative) 'Cause what I'm doing I'm doing for you
Don't get me wrong I'm really not souped Ego trips is not my thing All these strange relationships really gets me down I see nothing wrong in spreading myself around
I can do what I wanna do (it's my prerogative) I can live my life (it's my prerogative) And I'm doing it just for you (it's my prerogative)
Tell me, tell me why can't I live my life Live my life without all of the things That people say oh
Yo, teddy kick it like this Oh no no I can do what I wanna do Me and you together together together together together
Iffen yu dunt lik our apples dunt shake our tree!
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Post by BroMan on Apr 26, 2005 8:03:28 GMT -5
Sadly Drex has proven she does not know what she is talking about. This is a summary of the Freedom of Information Act she claims gives her license to question DER's death and DS' motives. "The Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA"), 5 U.S.C. 552, provides individuals with a right to access to records in the possession of the federal government. The government may withhold information pursuant to the nine exemptions and three exclusions contained in the Act. The Electronic FOIA ("E-FOIA") Amendments which President Clinton signed into law in 1996, amended the law in several ways, including: extend from 10 to 20 business days (excluding holidays) the time agencies must respond to requests for information; require agencies to make reasonable efforts to make records available in formats desired by requesters; require agencies to submit the NIH FOIA Annual Report by fiscal year; require agencies to make the reports available to the public by computer telecommunications or other electronic means; require agencies to list their major information systems, record locator systems, and a reference guide or guide for obtaining information; and require agencies to establish electronic reading rooms that include agency policies, staff manuals, opinions made in the adjudication of cases, and an index of records released by FOIA that are likely to become the subject of subsequent FOIA requests. these amendments have to be implemented by specific dates. Awwww Shucks!! Brake It Down Foe em ER! Brake It Down!!
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Post by BroMan on Apr 26, 2005 8:14:03 GMT -5
Queenie where is Broman when you need him? ;D ;D ;DIum rite herre ER ;D ;DDa Boss sed knot tu enterfere az long az evahbode iz bein civel. ;D ;DSew far evahbode iz. Diz iz ah enterestin thread sew far. But dunt yu worre iffen Jody Mae ore Ona Mae tris tu mak diz uglee I stands et da reddy tu squash thare BS. Dalete..Dalete...Dalete...Dalete....Git whut Ium sayin? ;D ;D ;D It jest aint happenin!
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Post by Common on Apr 26, 2005 8:17:52 GMT -5
I have other questions for Drex: I believe that by finding the answers, the truthful answers, to the questions I have provided would also lead to the discovery of anything that may or may have not been sinister. If I cannot get a straight answer to questions like: where was Brown from 3 - 4 a.m., or who told Mr. Eddie the briefcase was at the alleged crack house before and w/o witnesses being located and questioned, I do not expect anyone to admit to any sinister involvement concerning the purification % of the cocaine. 1) If Brown is contacted and can provide details on his whereabouts from 3-4am, how will you be able to pull 'creditable' witnesses to back up his statements, since, to be frank, the people that David hung around that evening were of a 'questionable' nature? 2) Do you think this person who told Eddie about the briefcase being in the crackhouse, will give up the name of said person? What happens if they chose not to? 3) ....w/o witnesses being located and questioned, I do not expect anyone to admit to any sinister involvement concerning the purification % of the cocaine.This goes back to what I was trying to explain about the mixture of substances. More than likely, the ME report will state the exact cause of death but as I was trying to say, that it may not be so easy to pinpoint exactly what drug/substance killed him. Example, in the Rick James case, the ME said it was a combination of drugs that killed him and that he couldn't exactly determine which drug caused his demise. Rick James' heart also simply gave out like David's(who also had a serious crack addiction, btw). So even if whoever gave the crack to David, happened to be 'tainted', considering what other substances that David might have ingested before or during using crack, it's hard to say that somehow something 'sinister' happened. I only threw in the 'sinister' part since you stated that you wanted to know who gave David the drug. Getting to the question, do you think the person who gave David the drug(who probably got the supply from someone else) would be willing to give that person up? 3a)If you cannot locate witnesses, how will you proceed with the investigation? Do you not need witnesses to at least substantiate some part of the case to say that something did happen at that particular time and place?
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Post by molly on Apr 26, 2005 9:08:14 GMT -5
I don't know what happened in that crack house that fateful night. But I know that prolonged use of any drug causes many health problems. Ruffin was not a healthy man. Even if he wasn't using in London (I'm not sure that he wasn't) the drug abuse had taken it's toll on his body and mind. There are some that claim he was,but they didn't see him before his death. Nobody can do drugs over a period of time and be healthy. I know people that have been clean for years,that have health problems casued by their addiction. The "10" vial story. It is very possible that Ruffin did share that amount of drugs with some one in a short period of time. Increased use can reduce the period of stimulation. So the user has to smoke more to keep their "high". Smoking the drug is more lethal that snorting it because smoking allows extremely high doses of cocaine to reach the brain very quickly and brings an intense and immediate high. The amount of the drug he ingested may not be important since any amount could have been lethal enough to kill him. I have heard of people using the drug once and overdosing. The question I guess in my mind is was the drug too pure for his already ravished system or was it laced with something deadly.(as if crack by itself is not deadly). I honestly do not know. This was not the first time Ruffin had overdosed. If anyone takes what Eddie was quoted as saying in Tony's book as the drug was tainted then it's concievable that "somebody" wanted him to die.(that's not how I interpreted his statement) But then on the other hand if somebody else was sharing the same crack with him then why didn't they meet the same fate as Ruffin? The only thing I know for sure is crack kills,and any user of the drug doesn't know what "hit" is going to be their last. But because of the addiction they are willing to take that chance. If the plan all along was to kill him,why even take him to the hospitial? He was still alive when he arrived at the hospitial. Why try to get him help? Why not leave his body anywhere? How did anybody know for sure that he wasn't going to make it? He had before. That's why I go back and forth on this subject, it's just too many senarios to entertain.
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Post by Brandy on Apr 26, 2005 10:33:46 GMT -5
Like Rick James said"Cocaine is one hell of drug"
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Post by Common on Apr 26, 2005 10:58:53 GMT -5
I don't know what happened in that crack house that fateful night. But I know that prolonged use of any drug causes many health problems. Ruffin was not a healthy man. Even if he wasn't using in London (I'm not sure that he wasn't) the drug abuse had taken it's toll on his body and mind. There are some that claim he was,but they didn't see him before his death. Nobody can do drugs over a period of time and be healthy. I know people that have been clean for years,that have health problems casued by their addiction. The "10" vial story. It is very possible that Ruffin did share that amount of drugs with some one in a short period of time. Increased use can reduce the period of stimulation. So the user has to smoke more to keep their "high". Smoking the drug is more lethal that snorting it because smoking allows extremely high doses of cocaine to reach the brain very quickly and brings an intense and immediate high. The amount of the drug he ingested may not be important since any amount could have been lethal enough to kill him. I have heard of people using the drug once and overdosing. The question I guess in my mind is was the drug too pure for his already ravished system or was it laced with something deadly.(as if crack by itself is not deadly). I honestly do not know. This was not the first time Ruffin had overdosed. If anyone takes what Eddie was quoted as saying in Tony's book as the drug was tainted then it's concievable that "somebody" wanted him to die.(that's not how I interpreted his statement) But then on the other hand if somebody else was sharing the same crack with him then why didn't they meet the same fate as Ruffin? The only thing I know for sure is crack kills,and any user of the drug doesn't know what "hit" is going to be their last. But because of the addiction they are willing to take that chance. If the plan all along was to kill him,why even take him to the hospitial? He was still alive when he arrived at the hospitial. Why try to get him help? Why not leave his body anywhere? How did anybody know for sure that he wasn't going to make it? He had before. That's why I go back and forth on this subject, it's just too many senarios to entertain. I don't know what happened in that crack house that fateful night. But I know that prolonged use of any drug causes many health problems. This is true. As we've stated many times, any constant use of drugs can detoriate a person mentally as well as physically. And we all know especially, how Crack cocaine can steal a person's soul and spirit. You can tell that David was not the picture of health just by looking at his condition on the Street Gold tape. He was noticeably thinner and his skin had an 'ashen' look to it. That's a definite sign of someone not in the best of health. If anyone takes what Eddie was quoted as saying in Tony's book as the drug was tainted then it's concievable that "somebody" wanted him to die.(that's not how I interpreted his statement) But then on the other hand if somebody else was sharing the same crack with him then why didn't they meet the same fate as Ruffin?That's another good question, Molly. Crack addicts who cling together, sometimes share their drugs. Knowing how generous David was, I'm sure that the person whom he sent to buy the drug, also bought for themselves. Sometimes, they also share or pass around the same pipe. If the plan all along was to kill him,why even take him to the hospitial? He was still alive when he arrived at the hospitial. Why try to get him help? Why not leave his body anywhere? How did anybody know for sure that he wasn't going to make it? He had before. Playing devil's advocate, some folks have the sense to know that here's a famous person that no one wants to have the responsiblity of being accused of killing. Now, granted that by that time, David's star status was not what it was in the 60s. I'm assuming that someone probably did not have the heart to leave him where he was and took him to the hospital. After all, he did let the hospital officials know who David was. If someone had something to hide, why volunteer that bit of information about who David was? (this question came from the top of my head) That's why I go back and forth on this subject, it's just too many senarios to entertainThere are alot of scenarios that can be played out. Of course, there are those people's 'actions' that could be questioned but it's hard to determine if those actions were intentional or not. I think events were happening so fast, it's kind of easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of things. I don't know what to think but I do believe that David definitely died of a drug overdose.
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Post by Common on Apr 26, 2005 10:59:19 GMT -5
Like Rick James said"Cocaine is one hell of drug" It sure is Brandy.
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Post by molly on Apr 26, 2005 12:05:38 GMT -5
[bPlaying devil's advocate, some folks have the sense to know that here's a famous person that no one wants to have the responsiblity of being accused of killing. Now, granted that by that time, David's star status was not what it was in the 60s.[/b]
Then if the plan all along was to kill him,then why not drive him around until he was dead? The account given was 'he was in bad shape",but these people weren't Dr's how did they know he couldn't be saved? So why take the chance the he could be revived and take him where he could get help?If the plan was to rob and kill him and make it look like a overdose then it was hatched before that night. And planned very carefully,since 14 years later no one has talked.
I'm assuming that someone probably did not have the heart to leave him where he was and took him to the hospital. After all, he did let the hospital officials know who David was. If someone had something to hide, why volunteer that bit of information about who David was? (this question came from the top of my head) TEXT
That's what I mean HP. A person that was "down' with killing him would not take him to the hospitial. You certainly don't take a person to the ER in a Limo if you're trying not to be noticed. But then the question is why did he leave Ruffin there? Why didn't he stay? Of course if he was high too,he may have been fearful or paranoid. Police frequent ER's all the time.
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 26, 2005 12:42:52 GMT -5
I read on this very board, where a posted wrote the reason her relationship ended with David Ruffin was because of his drug abuse. Now this was from a woman that did not live with him and saw him occassionally. So if she saw what the drugs were doing to him during their visits. Then how is it now that this same woman is saying he did not "overdose" himself? She had no way of knowing if his addiction had escalated or declined during his last years,because she was no longer in his life. What she has shared is his drug use was so bad that she left him. So when you speak of inconsistant statements this is a perfect example of one.
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Apr 26, 2005 19:13:40 GMT -5
ER I am impressed. ;D Thank You. Thank you and YW SarahLee.
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Apr 26, 2005 19:15:12 GMT -5
I'm glad Broman has reasserted his authority by keeping the uninvited in line!
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