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Post by molly on Jan 16, 2004 11:43:34 GMT -5
Ms. Molly, I do understand what you're saying and I do know how you feel about Ms. Genna book, that is not the issue, what I did not understand is why it has to get so ulgy? And when it does, it is ok with most everyone at the Palace, but when others, like myself ask why (as a poster on an open board should have the right, as long as they are civil) then all hell breaks lose and the attacks start(?) The only response I will give in reference to der words concerning me, is she is correct in everything except she did not mention my scholarships in conjunction with my loans, NOW THAT PISSED ME OFF! Darn it! Seriously, Miss Molly, I think you are a great lady! drex, It should not get ugly. Everybody does have the right to express their views. Unfourtunately there are some subjects that are more passionate to some then others. When that happens the Sidelines are the best place to be. drex do you feel it was right for "Our" post to be examined on your board? Didn't you think that eventually something like yesterday would happen? I had wouldn't but I knew it would eventually if it continued.
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Post by molly on Jan 16, 2004 11:56:15 GMT -5
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Post by Joda on Jan 16, 2004 12:00:59 GMT -5
Common Global Moderator member is online Every Day Is The Month of May on Planet Ruffin! Gender: Posts: 622 Re: reply to Ms. Molly « Reply #2 on: Today at 10:59:13 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drex, you want to clarify your post?? I don't understand what you are talking about. I have NEVER emailed you about anything concerning this board. If I misunderstood you, then clarify your post. And if anyone is 'ridiculing' anyone, you have with your statements about posters on this board on your board. The whole point is this was a private email THAT SHOULD HAVE REMAINED private. And why didn't you post it on YOUR OWN BOARD?? My reasons for no longer wanting to be bothered with Jody stems from personal reasons, not with what is going on the board. She has disrespected me enough & I'm not going to tolerate that. The question that never seems to get answered is why is it expected that posters should get involved in something that doesn't not involved US?? This is between der68 & Jody. You have chosen to interject yourself between this argument between these two women & because me, CP, Molly, Andy, NDF, Evita & Blessed do not want to get involved, we are somehow 'defending' der?? This is an insult to the intelligence to the people of this board!!!!! I just don't why don't the two of you let this go. « Last Edit: Today at 11:03:14 by Common » ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Common, the personal reason you speak about is regarding the supposed disrespect of your Grandmother. I SWEAR BEFORE MY GOD THAT I NEVER THOUGHT OF, NOR INTENDED TO DISRESPECT YOUR GRANDMOTHER... I ask about your dear Grandma many, many times. I didn't know her to do any more. I truly am so sorry tht you lost her, I know how that feels! This has been talked about so many times, and I will not bring it up any more. For some reason, you can't forgive what YOU thought to be a disrespect. I can't do any more than say I am sorry if you thought for any reason that I disrespected your Grandma. You are the one that can't seem to let it go... We have been on this board for months talking about and dissecting people, things, music, songs, good and bad about these things. Yet the few times I started to disagree, about, Diane, Drex, and the way she was treated,Genna, I could agree up to a point, Otis, I could agree up to a point, der, Lord knows I tried with that one, the poop hit the fan. If I can't tell my opinion, and know that your opinion and mine differ, without being lambasted, why would I want to post? Regarding Drex, this is a dear woman, yet in the beginning you would not give her the time of day. I disagreed and because of that I was degraded. I just wanted you to give her a chance. Do you think for one minute she or I would delibertly hurt David's children? If so, you are so wrong!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! It is simply because of the arguing back and forth that it got out of hand. We all should have stopped!!!!! This reminds me of a bunch of kids picking on a few. Really with no foundation. Common you NEVER have to be BOTHERED with me again. You sure did seem to like me in the beginning. We had great times chatting on the board and talking on the phone and IM's. I truly enjoyed you, and thought you did me. Guess you don't...Much bigger fish to fry I suppose...
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Post by Joda on Jan 16, 2004 12:04:19 GMT -5
Molly, Hind sight is 20/20...
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Post by molly on Jan 16, 2004 12:11:16 GMT -5
Molly, Hind sight is 20/20... Jody I don't understand what this means.
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Post by Joda on Jan 16, 2004 12:20:34 GMT -5
About seeing it coming dear...
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Post by der68 on Jan 16, 2004 12:26:36 GMT -5
I posted that communication because it mentioned me and it falsely accused me of hating someone (because of their ethnic background? Please.) If Ms. Jody listened to me as she is labeled of doing, she would continue to the regaining her friendship with you, Common and CP and not reply to the nasty words by der. I left this board and the old board, only to recieve emails citing, "Stay, come back, give it a chance, give them some time to get to know you," by the "same ones" who post and publically ridcule my interest. Who are the frauds? I will never understand the personal attacks on people who simply want to post and ask questions on a public/open board. drexell I did NOT say that to you nor did I insinuate such a thing where your are concerned. I should not have mentioned your name period in my IM to Jody. But you should not have allowed Jody to talk about me on your board. Not only did you allow this you joined in. I can certainly admit when I'm wrong. Can you. I know you and Jody are friends and that's fine. I know you don't apprecaited the way I choose to express myself and that's fine. Jody,your friend equates one's integrity to whose side you are taking. I was never hostile to you until you became involved in a private matter between Jody and myself. You go back and read the post. I told you I had no problem with your project per se. You choice to side with Jody against me is ok. But I would have preferred that you had judged me based on what I did and said to YOU! I apologize that once again you were pulled into this and that I reacted accordingly.
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Post by Common on Jan 16, 2004 13:46:22 GMT -5
Jody, you are STRAIGHT UP LYING ON ME & I don't appreciate it one iota!!!!! I'm not going to get into it with you about grandmother again, because *I* told you the first time when you sent me that insulting email 2 days after she died, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE IT!!!! Then you came back & try to justify that mess!!!! I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY, you didn't respect MY feelings & all you were more interested in was to keep talking about der68!!!! Adding insult to injury, you post my name & my business on this board!!!!! YOU have a lot of nerve to talk about 'forgiveness' & 'letting go' while you here, continuing this bullshit about der. My grandmother was important FACTOR in my life SO HELL YEAH, THAT WAS HURTFUL!!! What do expect me to do, smile in your face about it?? I told you off the bat how I felt but as usual, you couldn't CARE less!!!!!!
About Diane: YOU were the one who got bent out of shape when 'diane' posted on the board. YOU emailed me, upset about what 'diane' was posting on the board. AGAIN, YOU asked for my opinion about diane & brought up the issue about David's death. *I* gave my opinion/views on it & YOU continued to keep emailing. I was WILLING to call YOU to discuss the diane issue BUT you REFUSED!!! At that point, YOU brought up the friendship issue!!!! NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!! I left it alone but after a week, what should materialize:
About drexell: when she first came on the board, I welcomed her DESPITE the first post was asking about whether David had a cellphone!!! I WELCOMED drexell yet she NEVER responded to me & only want to communicate with you & Marge. So I LEFT her alone!!! YOU emailed me, asking me my opinion, which I told you that what was the purpose of drexell to askl these questions & I didn't feel comfortable with it!!! YOU continued to harangue me about the drexell to the point that it spilled to the board. I simply asked drexell what was the whole purpose & what was her intent with all this info she was asking. YOU preceded to JUMP me & YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THE FRIENDSHIP ISSUE UP PUBLICLY!!! I DID NOT!!!! It got to the point that I just stopped SAYING anything to drexell but you couldn't appreciate the fact that by me not saying anything to her was my attempt TO KEEP THE PEACE!!!! But no, Jody has to have things HER WAY!!!!!!!! The only time that I DID say things to drexell was when she jumped in the middle of the fray between you & der & when she brought up the issue again here about 'questions' about David's death. I NEVER 'degraded' YOU about this woman!!! How the HELL can I degraded you about a person I DON'T KNOW?? Jody, stop with the damn theatrics already!!! That is an outright LIE!!!
About der68: YOU felt because YOU were battling with her, I should jump into the middle of it! Why?? DER didn't do anything to ME!!!!!! YOU keep saying about 'agree to disagree' BUT when it comes to YOU, I'm not allowed to do that?? Just because YOU don't like her, I'm not supposed to?? So it's fine for YOU if I accept WHO you like?? This sounds like straight up trying to tell me who my friends should be!!!! I don't HAVE to like who YOU like nor vice versa!!!! BUT YOU can't RESPECT THAT!!!!! AGAIN YOU emailed me about this issue & again, I get kicked in the ass for giving MY opinion!! Unfreakingbelievable!!!
And what 'bigger fish to fry' are you talking about?? YOU weren't popping all this mess when I took my time & made videotapes & tapes & a CD of all of DR's material because I felt you DESERVE to have his stuff!!! If ANYONE should feel USED, it should be ME!!!!!!!! I TOLD you from the very beginning when we started emailing each other is that I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL THIS PERSONAL STUFF ABOUT DR!!!! ALL I WAS CONCERNED WITH WAS THE MUSIC!!!!!! Understanding him as a person is one thing, but everything has it's boundaries AND I NEVER CROSSED IT!!!!! So don't appreciate the implications that you are making about me or my character!!!!! You want to sit there & talk about integrity & everything else, while you are forwarding people's emails & posting them on the board.
But hell, I'm the monster & jody is the victim AGAIN in this case!!! I'm glad I'm not bothered with you anymore because when things don't go your way, you become extremely vindictive, mean spirited and want to play this victim role.
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Post by Drex on Jan 16, 2004 18:10:24 GMT -5
drexell I did NOT say that to you nor did I insinuate such a thing where your are concerned. I should not have mentioned your name period in my IM to Jody. But you should not have allowed Jody to talk about me on your board. Not only did you allow this you joined in. I can certainly admit when I'm wrong. Can you. I know you and Jody are friends and that's fine. I know you don't apprecaited the way I choose to express myself and that's fine. Jody,your friend equates one's integrity to whose side you are taking. I was never hostile to you until you became involved in a private matter between Jody and myself. You go back and read the post. I told you I had no problem with your project per se. You choice to side with Jody against me is ok. But I would have preferred that you had judged me based on what I did and said to YOU! I apologize that once again you were pulled into this and that I reacted accordingly. Der68, I told Jody to ignore. This is my point, I do not know you enough to side against you. I sided against the attacks. These are two separate but equal issues, you were with Mr. Ruffin the same as Ms.Jody and others, I just do not understand the division of credibility as to who knew him(?) As Danny Glover said to Shug Avery's new husband in The Color Purple, "You had her your way, I had her mine." What is the point in booty call labeling and such? You were with Mr.David in some capacity from 1968 until the time of his death, surely yours was an established relationship more than a one night stand, then why can't other women be also? Of the photos I have access to, I have not viewed one photograph of an ulgy woman he was involved with and I will bet you are a lovely lady also. I am trying to understand why you dislike me and called me a bitch, I simply do not understand.
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Post by Detroit60slady on Jan 16, 2004 18:54:59 GMT -5
I have watched this board for sometime and I wonder if anyone still remembers who David Ruffin is? If this kind of arguing went on while the man was alive, I can see why he did drugs. He must have liked you all or he would not have kept coming back. Why can't you all agree he loved women, probably all women, and leave it at that.
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Post by Joda on Jan 16, 2004 21:43:13 GMT -5
Detroit60s lady...Thank you, this is exactly what I have tried to convey...I don't know how many times I have said, WE ALL ARE A PART OF THE DAVID RUFFIN HISTORY...I EVEN WENT ON TO SAY, HOW MANY CAN TRULY SAY THIS? I suppose David would be flattered for a minute, but this to would get old...Thank you, Detroit60slady... Come back and celebrate David's 63rd birthday. CP and Common always do it right... Sir Ruffin...
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Post by OBSERVER on Jan 16, 2004 22:55:11 GMT -5
Detroit60s lady...Thank you, this is exactly what I have tried to convey...I don't know how many times I have said, WE ALL ARE A PART OF THE DAVID RUFFIN HISTORY...I EVEN WENT ON TO SAY, HOW MANY CAN TRULY SAY THIS? I suppose David would be flattered for a minute, but this to would get old...Thank you, Detroit60slady... Come back and celebrate David's 63rd birthday. CP and Common always do it right... Sir Ruffin... pardon me for saying this but seeing how people in here feel about you. are you invited to the celebration? you better check this out is your name on the guest list? better to be asked to come then asked to leave
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Post by Joda on Jan 16, 2004 23:04:29 GMT -5
Don't know observer, I been here almost since jump street. I sure have celebrated a bunch of them... I sure don't have to be here to celebrate though...I really don't thing CP would ask me to leave. She is a lady straight up...
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Post by Detroit60slady on Jan 17, 2004 12:54:31 GMT -5
It is sad, so so sad......would all of you act this same way if David were here? Probably, all trying to put the other down to get in his favor and keep him to yourself. David could not be pinned down to one person, he was not happy that way. I think many thought they could change him. But they couldnt. He stayed as long as he wanted, then he left. Be glad you had him while you did. It is like having children. You love them, then they grow up and leave. Do you pummel the people that they grow to love, when that is what makes them happy? No you dont. Then why are you all doing it here? That is what made David, David. Why do you keep trying to change who he was now by acting like your time with him was the most important. IT wasn't. The total of all of the people in David's life is who he was. Everyone needs to realize, that is who HE was. Why cant you welcome the people that he was with and loved and be glad of the time he had with them, if that made him happy!
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Post by Joda on Jan 17, 2004 18:52:31 GMT -5
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