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Post by Queenie on Mar 3, 2007 21:49:07 GMT -5
Okay so the media did not sought them out but, why in the hell did they tell media mother doesn't have a headstone? That should been kept in the closet under Baba's clothes. I wonder what happen to the 30,000 trust fund. .. Drex, if you not too busy trying to find out what happen to DER's 40,000 can you please find what happen to Ballards money..
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Post by BeesNVMe on Mar 3, 2007 22:19:14 GMT -5
Okay so the media did not sought them out but, why in the hell did they tell media mother doesn't have a headstone? That should been kept in the closet under Baba's clothes.I wonder what happen to the 30,000 trust fund. .. Drex, if you not too busy trying to find out what happen to DER's 40,000 can you please find what happen to Ballards money.. My point exactly Queenie! They don't have the good sense to do that. It's unfortunate but they are truly messed up in thead.
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Post by Common on Mar 3, 2007 23:37:26 GMT -5
The question is what happened to the money that diana supposedly gave to the children? And why didn't Flo's family make sure that Flo had a headstone? Her gravesite has been like that for the past 30 years. It can't soleyy be the fault of the daughters. They were 6-7 years old when Flo made her transition. It sounds like Flo's family did not take care of business. And if I'm not mistaken, Flo's mother was still alive during that time.
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Post by Springtime on Mar 4, 2007 3:55:07 GMT -5
I went over to FAG Florence Ballard does have a head stone. So some one was thinking of Florence with love.
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Post by Brandy on Mar 4, 2007 5:25:05 GMT -5
Okay so the media did not sought them out but, why in the hell did they tell media mother doesn't have a headstone? That should been kept in the closet under Baba's clothes. I wonder what happen to the 30,000 trust fund. .. Drex, if you not too busy trying to find out what happen to DER's 40,000 can you please find what happen to Ballards money.. I watched the interview on Inside Edition they went to Flo's gravesite themselves and saw that there was no head stone and they had to uncover the spot where she's buried from the snow.the media went to them to get their opinion on Dreamgirls since it was obviously about Flo. Whoever was in charge of those girls probably took that money.
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Post by Brandy on Mar 4, 2007 5:33:52 GMT -5
I am very hard pressed to say what a person should or should not do in a situation such as Flo's daughters. When these girls were babies, they were exposed in a very public manner by their celebrity mother's poor circumstances. Not to mention, it did not sound like Flo & her husband had a stable life. So not only does their mother die, their father eventually passes on as well at a young age. Then they were probably passed from one family member to the next. Didn't this scenario happened to David when his mother died, being bounced from one relative to another? That can play on any child's psyche, especially once they reach adulthood. I don't know all the particulars in Flo's daughters case but it seems to me that these young ladies had it hard. I just read on SDF that one of the daughters had brain surgery several years ago and her son is disabled. It would be nice if these young ladies' lives were better, got themselves educated and got a good job. But hell, good jobs don't really exist today unless you have a ton of degrees. And even that does not guarantee a good job. Sometimes I wonder if working and being poor is somehow different than being poor and getting welfare. Honestly, I really don't see the difference. If we really want to look hard enough, some of us are one paycheck away from being homeless. I can't knock somebody because hell, that maybe me one day and I need some help. Maybe I don't feel like working for a couple of years until I can get my mind right. I don't know. I do know there are handful of people that are lazy. But, in this case, I really don't think that applies. That's exactly what I'm saying Common. we can't judge nobody's struggle because everybody's struggle is not the same. we can't say that because they are on welfare that they are uneducated,lazy etc because we don't know that. life happens just like it can happen to anybody you could be working a high paying job today and be broke and need welfare tomorrow. The girls could be working there are alot of people who are working and still recieve welfare because their bills eat up their food money.we all know the health care system is b.s. and there are alot of people without health insurance. If you need foodstamps ,medical assistance etc go get it nothing wrong with seeking help if you need it. going to college doesn't always guarantee you everything I know some college people who ain't doing shit with their life today.you do what you got to do to survive and if you need help get that help. what's worse is that the girls lost both parents and being bounced around from caretaker to caretaker will take a toll on you and they probably used up that money that was put away for them and saw none of that money. The interviewer on Inside Edition asked those girls were they on welfare like their mom and they answered honestly.
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Post by Queenie on Mar 4, 2007 10:40:53 GMT -5
I went over to FAG Florence Ballard does have a head stone. So some one was thinking of Florence with love. And it is beautiful...
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Post by Queenie on Mar 4, 2007 11:54:15 GMT -5
Once again, I must be missing something; I don’t know how you can compare someone working to someone on welfare. Welfare the government is taking care of YOU! Employment means you are have a job. You might be a step away from being homeless but at least you get up and go to work. On the other hand, Welfare, you are watching for the mail carrier to drop a check in the mailbox. There is a difference a big difference. We are all plagued with life lessons some of us raise up from them others wallow in them. Nevertheless, at the end, you have to carve out your own life. You have to live your best life.
In regards of Chapman’s children, yes, they had some blows in their life but nothing has result them to be on welfare. They are on welfare because that’s where they want to be point and simple. No one owes these able mind young women anything they need to get off that rut and find employment. Find the baby daddies and tell them they have a month to get their acts together otherwise they are going to jail for non child support.
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Post by Common on Mar 4, 2007 13:35:30 GMT -5
I went over to FAG Florence Ballard does have a head stone. So some one was thinking of Florence with love. Springtime, that marker has been there for years.
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Post by Common on Mar 4, 2007 13:40:34 GMT -5
I am very hard pressed to say what a person should or should not do in a situation such as Flo's daughters. When these girls were babies, they were exposed in a very public manner by their celebrity mother's poor circumstances. Not to mention, it did not sound like Flo & her husband had a stable life. So not only does their mother die, their father eventually passes on as well at a young age. Then they were probably passed from one family member to the next. Didn't this scenario happened to David when his mother died, being bounced from one relative to another? That can play on any child's psyche, especially once they reach adulthood. I don't know all the particulars in Flo's daughters case but it seems to me that these young ladies had it hard. I just read on SDF that one of the daughters had brain surgery several years ago and her son is disabled. It would be nice if these young ladies' lives were better, got themselves educated and got a good job. But hell, good jobs don't really exist today unless you have a ton of degrees. And even that does not guarantee a good job. Sometimes I wonder if working and being poor is somehow different than being poor and getting welfare. Honestly, I really don't see the difference. If we really want to look hard enough, some of us are one paycheck away from being homeless. I can't knock somebody because hell, that maybe me one day and I need some help. Maybe I don't feel like working for a couple of years until I can get my mind right. I don't know. I do know there are handful of people that are lazy. But, in this case, I really don't think that applies. That's exactly what I'm saying Common. we can't judge nobody's struggle because everybody's struggle is not the same. we can't say that because they are on welfare that they are uneducated,lazy etc because we don't know that. life happens just like it can happen to anybody you could be working a high paying job today and be broke and need welfare tomorrow. The girls could be working there are alot of people who are working and still recieve welfare because their bills eat up their food money.we all know the health care system is b.s. and there are alot of people without health insurance. If you need foodstamps ,medical assistance etc go get it nothing wrong with seeking help if you need it. going to college doesn't always guarantee you everything I know some college people who ain't doing shit with their life today.you do what you got to do to survive and if you need help get that help. what's worse is that the girls lost both parents and being bounced around from caretaker to caretaker will take a toll on you and they probably used up that money that was put away for them and saw none of that money. The interviewer on Inside Edition asked those girls were they on welfare like their mom and they answered honestly. You got exactly what I was saying. Nobody here is encouraging people to slack off but let's face it, there will always be people in life that want to live off the system. My thing is that this is not only poor people who do this, the very rich does it as well. The main thing is people do what they have to survive.
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Post by Common on Mar 4, 2007 13:55:57 GMT -5
Once again, I must be missing something; I don’t know how you can compare someone working to someone on welfare. Welfare the government is taking care of YOU! Employment means you are have a job. You might be a step away from being homeless but at least you get up and go to work. On the other hand, Welfare, you are watching for the mail carrier to drop a check in the mailbox. There is a difference a big difference. We are all plagued with life lessons some of us raise up from them others wallow in them. Nevertheless, at the end, you have to carve out your own life. You have to live your best life. In regards of Chapman’s children, yes, they had some blows in their life but nothing has result them to be on welfare. They are on welfare because that’s where they want to be point and simple. No one owes these able mind young women anything they need to get off that rut and find employment. Find the baby daddies and tell them they have a month to get their acts together otherwise they are going to jail for non child support. Queenie, the point I'm making is that poverty is poverty REGARDLESS if you are working or not. I am not going to condemn a group of people because they feel this is the only way THEY know how to survive. You cannot dictate nor determine how someone should live their lives. Tragic circumstances affect each person differently and some folks feel there is no way out. Is it fair for them to make themselves victims? No it is not. But we cannot save somebody who does not want to be saved. We have alot of working poor and if we really want to, you can apply that same logic that they are unmotivated and limited. Why are there people trapped in poverty in the first place?....I hear this argument from my mother all the time about some of the people in the neighborhood, 'sitting on their behinds all day and not working'. I'm like why are YOU worried about it? I'm more concerned with the government using my tax money to fund this senseless war and cutting back on social programs. Poor people always bore the brunt because they are an easier target than people with money. The goal is to keep 85% of the population fighting over crumbs while the 15% control & enjoy the majority interests and money in this country. I'm more concerned of the fact that the wealthest family of old money control the Federal Reserves than some chick in the projects collecting a $200 welfare check.
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Post by Brandy on Mar 4, 2007 20:51:00 GMT -5
Once again, I must be missing something; I don’t know how you can compare someone working to someone on welfare. Welfare the government is taking care of YOU! Employment means you are have a job. You might be a step away from being homeless but at least you get up and go to work. On the other hand, Welfare, you are watching for the mail carrier to drop a check in the mailbox. There is a difference a big difference. We are all plagued with life lessons some of us raise up from them others wallow in them. Nevertheless, at the end, you have to carve out your own life. You have to live your best life. In regards of Chapman’s children, yes, they had some blows in their life but nothing has result them to be on welfare. They are on welfare because that’s where they want to be point and simple. No one owes these able mind young women anything they need to get off that rut and find employment. Find the baby daddies and tell them they have a month to get their acts together otherwise they are going to jail for non child support. Queenie,there are people who work that recieve welfare because their bill money eat up their food money. you can go to social services and apply for the help you need whether it be food stamps,medical assistance,energy assistance program or money. with that money best believe social services are keeping watch on how they spend it because when they go to reapply for the services they have to have an accurate account with proof. Everybody's struggle is not the same. it's easy for us to tell somebody to go get a job do this or do that and we don't know how hard they have tried and keep being denied. anybody could lose their job today or tomorrow and wind up needing the help of social services. Yes,Flo's daughters has been dealt some heavy blows but who's to say they aren't working? they can be apart of the working poor and the interviewer asked them if they were on welfare like their mom and they answered honestly by saying they were. more than likely they have a job and just recieve services that they need to help them. they are apart of the working poor. nobody wants to be on welfare but when you need help you go get help.the government has been raping people forever. The only thing the girls were saying is people are cashing in on their mother and they aren't seeing anything from it..which could mean that nobody is consulting them or their family to get actual fact or input. no proceeds from books that are written are helping them out. everybody can't be an author(we all know that lol) and some writers just in it to gain a name for themselves so they may not trust people who offer to write their story for them because of it. it's very easy for to say that but we do not know if they are unemployed or not and child support takes forever collecting money for the kids.
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Post by Brandy on Mar 4, 2007 20:53:17 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm saying Common. we can't judge nobody's struggle because everybody's struggle is not the same. we can't say that because they are on welfare that they are uneducated,lazy etc because we don't know that. life happens just like it can happen to anybody you could be working a high paying job today and be broke and need welfare tomorrow. The girls could be working there are alot of people who are working and still recieve welfare because their bills eat up their food money.we all know the health care system is b.s. and there are alot of people without health insurance. If you need foodstamps ,medical assistance etc go get it nothing wrong with seeking help if you need it. going to college doesn't always guarantee you everything I know some college people who ain't doing shit with their life today.you do what you got to do to survive and if you need help get that help. what's worse is that the girls lost both parents and being bounced around from caretaker to caretaker will take a toll on you and they probably used up that money that was put away for them and saw none of that money. The interviewer on Inside Edition asked those girls were they on welfare like their mom and they answered honestly. You got exactly what I was saying. Nobody here is encouraging people to slack off but let's face it, there will always be people in life that want to live off the system. My thing is that this is not only poor people who do this, the very rich does it as well. The main thing is people do what they have to survive. Yep that's exactly right and their are rich people doing the same thing knowing full well they really don't need it.
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Post by EmergingRuffian on Mar 5, 2007 0:26:46 GMT -5
Weaves are bad!
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Post by molly on Mar 5, 2007 1:03:13 GMT -5
A lot of great points made here. I understand everybody's struggle is not the same,but "struggle" by definition means to "fight" back against whatever is opressing you. I also agree there are working poor,but the key word is "working". I symphatize with not only Flo's daughters,but any body that find's themselves in similar situations. I will also say I personally know people that have been through,but kept fighting to come out. Welfare definitely has it's place,but it shouldn't be the destination of where you're going in life. These girls lost their parents and and that's horrible. I'm positive they didn't have a easy life. Unless these women had no access to information or opportunities, then I can understand it. I agree when you need help you should go to these agency's . No shame in that. But I can't believe that welfare as your only means of support is the only option for anybody. Unless of course there are physical or mental problems. I have a gf that was on welfare for 6 years,while she went to school. Now she is very very successful. I'm not judging anybody,because lord know's I've been blessed. I certainly see Queenie's point. I also agree there are people that work and still receiving welfare.
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