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Post by Trish Stevens on Aug 13, 2008 7:47:14 GMT -5
How do you know people didn't question what was reported about David's death? Just because they may not want to waste their time bothering people all over the internet and country, and rereading and examining old newspaper articles until they're dizzy doesn't mean they didn't question what really may have happened to David. Or maybe they didn't question his death because it doesn't make a difference how he died; he's still dead! What difference would it make if somebody did kill David? And what if those guilty parties got caught and were sentenced to jail? What difference would that make to people who knew and loved David? He'd still be dead! And people going to jail is not going to bring David back! I really didn't want to respond to you because, quite frankly, you sound nuts . But don't go assuming that people didn't question what really might have happened to David just because they're not wasting their time making a silly crusade out of it like you are doing. You did respond Duchess. Call it what you will, I call it seeking justice. I do not believe David Ruffin died because his usage of a drug, as those in Philadelphia repeatedly reported in 1991. The drug killed him, that is true and the case closed, rather quickly, but not solved. The last person to have possession of the cash also provided the limousine for the tainted lover photo op. Connection establised. The driver who drove the limo and dropped Mr. David off at the hospital lived 1/2 mile from the limo owner. They knew each other long before 1989. I was told the day I went into Parkside Bar, the tender was on the phone to the limo owner before I got back to my car....connection establish.
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Post by peeperpeep on Aug 13, 2008 10:32:38 GMT -5
You did respond Duchess. Call it what you will, I call it seeking justice. I do not believe David Ruffin died because his usage of a drug, as those in Philadelphia repeatedly reported in 1991. The drug killed him, that is true and the case closed, rather quickly, but not solved. The last person to have possession of the cash also provided the limousine for the tainted lover photo op. Connection establised. The driver who drove the limo and dropped Mr. David off at the hospital lived 1/2 mile from the limo owner. They knew each other long before 1989. I was told the day I went into Parkside Bar, the tender was on the phone to the limo owner before I got back to my car....connection establish. Sounds like you've watched "the movie" way too many times
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Post by Trish Stevens on Aug 13, 2008 13:10:50 GMT -5
You did respond Duchess. Call it what you will, I call it seeking justice. I do not believe David Ruffin died because his usage of a drug, as those in Philadelphia repeatedly reported in 1991. The drug killed him, that is true and the case closed, rather quickly, but not solved. The last person to have possession of the cash also provided the limousine for the tainted lover photo op. Connection establised. The driver who drove the limo and dropped Mr. David off at the hospital lived 1/2 mile from the limo owner. They knew each other long before 1989. I was told the day I went into Parkside Bar, the tender was on the phone to the limo owner before I got back to my car....connection establish. Sounds like you've watched "the movie" way too many times You watched a different movie than me. But, let me give credit where credit is due, the "movie" did spearhead my interest, especially when the character who played "Otis" said, "...no one really know what happened." I said to myself, "oh yes somebody knows what happened." And that was before I knew: a) Mr. David had given the cash to Murrell for safekeeping, or b)Mr. David had announced he was leaving Philadelphia, or c) had left Showers and was with another woman the week prior to his death, or d) it took the psuedo limo driver an hour to drive 4.12 miles from the hospital to return the limo to the owner/who was last to have possesion of Ruffin's money, or e) Murrell didn't retrieve the briefcase at 4 a.m. upon learning it had been left behind at the crackhouse (yeah, right) instead he waited HOURS later when Mr. Eddie called or f) David other drugs in his system besides cocaine. or g) Murrell and Showers failed to alert police and media Saturday when being interviewed Ruffin returned to Philadelphia with a large amount of cash. - The pseudo limo-driver told Murrell he had failed to pick up the briefcase and left it at the crackhouse when he loaded Ruffin inside to go to the hospital at 4 a.m. (that was their story), yet Murrell didn't retrieve it until much later Saturday only after Eddie called asking questions? THEN he sends it to Showers instead of police( ) The cash was never in the briefcase after it was given to Murrell and the briefcase was never "left behind" in the crackhouse. And, peeps this wasn't in the movie I watched many years ago.
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Post by Duchess on Aug 13, 2008 14:40:56 GMT -5
You did respond Duchess. Call it what you will, I call it seeking justice. I do not believe David Ruffin died because his usage of a drug, as those in Philadelphia repeatedly reported in 1991. The drug killed him, that is true and the case closed, rather quickly, but not solved. The last person to have possession of the cash also provided the limousine for the tainted lover photo op. Connection establised. The driver who drove the limo and dropped Mr. David off at the hospital lived 1/2 mile from the limo owner. They knew each other long before 1989. I was told the day I went into Parkside Bar, the tender was on the phone to the limo owner before I got back to my car....connection establish. Yes, I did respond, and I'm kicking my own self in the a$$ for that lol! I see where your head is at lady, and I'm not in the mood to talk to a brick wall. So, good luck with your silly "investigation" and have a nice life. Who knows, one day you may get a medal for all your hard work! lol! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Post by Trish Stevens on Aug 13, 2008 14:54:36 GMT -5
You did respond Duchess. Call it what you will, I call it seeking justice. I do not believe David Ruffin died because his usage of a drug, as those in Philadelphia repeatedly reported in 1991. The drug killed him, that is true and the case closed, rather quickly, but not solved. The last person to have possession of the cash also provided the limousine for the tainted lover photo op. Connection establised. The driver who drove the limo and dropped Mr. David off at the hospital lived 1/2 mile from the limo owner. They knew each other long before 1989. I was told the day I went into Parkside Bar, the tender was on the phone to the limo owner before I got back to my car....connection establish. Yes, I did respond, and I'm kicking my own self in the a$$ for that lol! I see where your head is at lady, and I'm not in the mood to talk to a brick wall. So, good luck with your silly "investigation" and have a nice life. Who knows, one day you may get a medal for all your hard work! lol! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I do not want a medal. I want those responsible for spending the cash and overdosing him brough to justice.
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Post by peeperzpeep on Aug 13, 2008 15:36:49 GMT -5
I do not want a medal. I want those responsible for spending the cash and overdosing him brough to justice. Well, maybe you should just turn yourself in then.
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Post by Trish on Aug 13, 2008 18:26:41 GMT -5
I do not want a medal. I want those responsible for spending the cash and overdosing him brough to justice. Well, maybe you should just turn yourself in then. Bless your heart, is this the best you have? No spin, no attack, no deflecting...the offer is still on the table.
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Post by Drex on Sept 10, 2008 15:30:54 GMT -5
Theft is a crime. But has theft been proven? No, but because it wasn't proven doesn't mean it didn't happen Was the money being carried in a money belt or a briefcase? Neither Murrell had the cash. How much money was missing or "stolen"? $40,000 + Where was he staying the week leading up to his death? With DER in a hotel and then back at Dianes on Friday Who was he with? Both At what point in time was the money missing? David knew who had his cash, it became missing upon his death when others denied possession Was the money missing prior to that night? No Was the money left at another location or with another individual? Yes, Murrell May 17th, 1991 Is there any proof that he was indeed robbed? He was not robbed. He did not have the money with him May 31st, 1991. Here's another big one Was it cash or bearer bonds? Cash Quoting Murrell, "all one-hundred dollar bills." did it take him so long to wire Eddie and Dennis their share? It didn't take him long, he never got the chance to wire them their portion, Ruffin was overdosed. Why would David Ruffin carry a large sum of money into a crack house? Ruffin did not carry a large amount into the crack house, the philly four simply made it appear that Ruffin had the cash on him at the crack house. The money in all accounts has been refered to as "missing". Ms.Showers was not with David Ruffin the night of his death. He was at her house on Friday May 31st, 1991. She doesn't know if he was carrying the money or not. She was either misquoted or spoke in error. Which is understandable since she had just lost the man she loved. Contrary to what some believe she was in love with him. Yet, he told her he was leaving her and in fact was with another women three days before he died.There is no proof he was robbed in the crack house. So where is the crime scene? The crime scene is exactly where he was sat on and held down. The Limo or the Crack House? or maybe a location before he arrived at the Crack house? What evidence was tampered with? The briefcase should have been with police not Showers. The money belt or the briefcase? The money was not on Ruffin the night he died. The Philly four tried in vain to allude and convince everyone Ruffin had it,but he did not.
From 2005 archives unanswered questions..until now
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Post by Drex on Sept 29, 2008 11:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by Drex on Oct 14, 2008 21:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by Davidfan on Nov 9, 2008 21:06:51 GMT -5
54 pages? Over 4 years ... are you serious?! Apparently this is to important to take to the street and actually do something with ... I enjoy reading all of this I am open to all views (or try to be) but really how is a messege board helping an investigation? ... ain't no one here a detective or coroner or PI ... We're all here to talk about the man, the music, and the joy he brought so many ... Go investigate ... stop talking and start doing ... I'ma go listen to some music and enjoy myself, I hope you can do the same :-)
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Post by Drex on Dec 24, 2008 13:56:41 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! This board and specific threads brought to light territorial egos and bits of information, especially to me. I can read between the lines. I would for Diane and Butch to spell out exactly how they split the money. And, remember the offer is still good for 2009, polygraph test, polygraph test, polygraph test. Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing. Come pass and sue me for asking to submit to a test! David Ruffin returned to Philly, told Diane he was outta there, was thankless to her and Butch for their efforts since 1989, and, they took revenge. Butch for money, Diane was scorned. David being with another lady sealed the deal. TAKE A POLYGRAPH AND PROVE ME WRONG. Happy Holidays ;-)
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Post by Brandy on Dec 24, 2008 22:28:33 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to all! This board and specific threads brought to light territorial egos and bits of information, especially to me. I can read between the lines. I would for Diane and Butch to spell out exactly how they split the money. And, remember the offer is still good for 2009, polygraph test, polygraph test, polygraph test. Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing. Come pass and sue me for asking to submit to a test! David Ruffin returned to Philly, told Diane he was outta there, was thankless to her and Butch for their efforts since 1989, and, they took revenge. Butch for money, Diane was scorned. David being with another lady sealed the deal. TAKE A POLYGRAPH AND PROVE ME WRONG. Happy Holidays ;-) merry christmas to you too drex no ill feelings.
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Post by Drex on Dec 30, 2008 16:42:33 GMT -5
www.vidocq.org/what.htmlAnyone who truly loved David Ruffin and who would like to know for certain what really happened to Mr. Ruffin AND his money write a serious letter to intake@vidocq.org or visit their page. I am working on tubs of information in prep to send to them in the slightest hope and chance they will consider a presentation. I am contacting a family member BEGGING that they consider this action. It is never to late. I will not stop until I prove the Philly PD had tunnel vision in that because he was known to have used drugs then he must have overdosed by his own hand. They used his drug usage to overdose him, knowing most would accept it as an easy reason he died. Folks he was dead when he arrived at the hospital, the ER tried to bring him back but could not. He had other drugs in his system, don't any of you want to know what they were and how they got into his system. Is not one of you, who truly loved David, curious why Diane was riding in Butch Murrell's limousine only days after he died? Or, why Murrell took her the briefcase instead of taking it to police for fingerprints? Isn't it strange Murrell did not send after the briefcase at 4 a.m. when Brown returned the limo, yet Murrell said he waited to retrieve and produce the briefcase only after Eddie called? Eddie called Murrell wanting to know where was the money, Eddie talked to David on Friday and David told Eddie Murrell had the money, that is the ONLY reason why Murrell finally disclosed that bit of info, after the fact and he knew he had to once Eddie called. Wake up everybody!!!! Please
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Post by H Johnson on Jan 10, 2009 9:27:38 GMT -5
Drex, I have been a peeper since the old board. I will admit, I doubted you. But there is one thing you posted from a newspaper that I think about all the time. The same woman David Ruffin left and cheated on is pictured in a limousine owned by the same man who last had the money. I do not believe he died by his own hand. I don't want to start a war, but know this old boy formerly from 7 mile is own your side. Do not give up. H Johnson (not my real name, work agency) North Little Rock
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