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Post by Brandy on Jul 4, 2005 21:41:40 GMT -5
 [a href="[http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050704071909990003&_ccc=5&cid=842"][http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050704071909990003&_ccc=5&cid=842[/a] States spend nearly a quarter of a billion dollars a year on remedial writing instruction for their employees, according to a new report that says the indirect costs of sloppy writing probably hurt taxpayers even more.
The National Commission on Writing, in a report to be released Tuesday, says that good writing skills are at least as important in the public sector as in private industry. Poor writing not only befuddles citizens but also slows down the government as bureaucrats struggle with unclear instructions or have to redo poorly written work.
"It's impossible to calculate the ultimate cost of lost productivity because people have to read things two and three times," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, vice chairman of the National Governors Association, which conducted the survey for the commission.
The commission, established by the College Board, drew attention with its first report in 2003. That outlined problems with how writing is taught in American schools and proposed remedies. The group's second report, last year, tried to drum up support for writing education by highlighting the value that business and industry leaders place on writing skills.
This year, the commission surveyed human resource directors who oversee nearly 2.7 million state government employees, and found writing skills even more important than in the private sector.
While two-thirds of companies surveyed in the 2004 report said writing was an important responsibility for workers, 100 percent of the 49 states responding to the anonymous survey said it was. More than 75 percent said they take writing skills into account when hiring.
But while 70 percent of state managers said large majorities of their professional employees had adequate skills, just one-third said clerical and support staff did. The report estimates the states spend $221 million annually on remedial writing training, sometimes sending workers to $400-per-employee classes.
"You have to be able to write, convert an idea and turn it into words," said Bob Kerrey, the former U.S. senator and governor from Nebraska, who is chairman of the commission.
In public office, "I read things that were absolutely incomprehensible," Kerrey said. He shudders to think how Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, published 229 years ago Monday, would have read in standard, government-worker bureaucrat-speak.
"It would be 10 times as long, one-tenth as comprehensive, and would have lacked all inspiration," Kerrey said.
In a conference call interview last week, Kerrey, Huckabee, and Gaston Caperton - a former West Virginia governor who now leads the College Board - said many of the costs when state employees cannot express themselves clearly are hard to pin down. E-mail, which is so easy that workers can fire something off without thinking it through, may compound the problem.
"Increasingly as more things are done electronically, or via e-mail or blackberry, I think we tend to almost get even more sloppy," Huckabee said. "The truth is we need to get clear and concise. That adds to productivity."
Another hidden cost is that good ideas may never see the light of day.
"I see that all the time in writing and political speaking," Huckabee said. "There are some really bright people who can't communicate and as a result their ideas probably aren't given the attention they deserve."
The commission is calling for more Congressional funding for the National Writing Project, a professional development program for teachers, and what Kerrey says are proven methods for improving writing instruction in classrooms.
But the biggest boost to writing instruction may come from the decision by the College Board, under Caperton, to add a written essay to the SAT college entrance exam. The essay, which debuted in March, is expected to cause many high school English teachers to put more emphasis on composition. Critics, however, say the essay is formulaic, coachable, and a poor way to test the kind of writing skills students need in college.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jul 4, 2005 21:58:18 GMT -5
Thanx Brandy.
I cannot stress to these children the importance of knowing how to read and write. A kid just told me he wasn't about learning nothing in school. His goal is to work with his father in his auto body shop. He thinks he doesn't have to know how to read and write to do this. He wants to own his own shop one day. He looked at me like I had three heads when I told him he could not possibly run and keep a business if he could not comprehend what was going on. I explained he had to know how to read instructions, keep records, etc. I told him he might sign the store away if he didn't know what the hell he was signing. I left him with his mouth hanging open. I sure hop he was pondering what I was saying!
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Post by Brandy on Jul 5, 2005 15:22:24 GMT -5
Thanx Brandy. I cannot stress to these children the importance of knowing how to read and write. A kid just told me he wasn't about learning nothing in school. His goal is to work with his father in his auto body shop. He thinks he doesn't have to know how to read and write to do this. He wants to own his own shop one day. He looked at me like I had three heads when I told him he could not possibly run and keep a business if he could not comprehend what was going on. I explained he had to know how to read instructions, keep records, etc. I told him he might sign the store away if he didn't know what the hell he was signing. I left him with his mouth hanging open. I sure hop he was pondering what I was saying!  It's very important for people to know how to read and write. alot of kids don't think it's important but it is very important. It's alot of kids out there who think the exact same thing Bees and it is scary. |
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Post by Common on Jul 5, 2005 20:10:56 GMT -5
This a good article, Brandy. I saw it on another board and it kinda spark debate. I agree that we have become lax in our spelling and composition. I actually find posting on the board helpful as it helps with my writing and comprehension skills. I always have trouble being 'concise' and I tend to always write out in 'detail', to the point whatever point I'm trying to make, sounds longwinded. But I'm working on it.  I don't know if this happens to other people, but do you guys have trouble writing in script? I mean, I type so much on the computer that sometimes, I have trouble actually writing script.  |
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jul 5, 2005 20:28:44 GMT -5
What is script, HP?
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Post by Common on Jul 5, 2005 20:29:53 GMT -5
Ooops! I meant 'penmanship'. I was talking in Caribbean lingo again. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jody on Jul 5, 2005 20:42:04 GMT -5
I use to love your long winded E-mails...  Use to keep me entertained, they were so thorough... This a good article, Brandy. I saw it on another board and it kinda spark debate. I agree that we have become lax in our spelling and composition. I actually find posting on the board helpful as it helps with my writing and comprehension skills. I always have trouble being 'concise' and I tend to always write out in 'detail', to the point whatever point I'm trying to make, sounds longwinded. But I'm working on it. I don't know if this happens to other people, but do you guys have trouble writing in script? I mean, I type so much on the computer that sometimes, I have trouble actually writing script. |
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jul 5, 2005 20:51:28 GMT -5
Jody, I asked you the other day not to post...but you continue to do so. I locked the thread...now you have jumped in this one on the pretense of posting to HP. Next thing you know...the posts will be a continuation of the thread that is locked. I don't intend to lock up my entire board because of you. Nothing ever changes during these outbursts. I am sick of reading the same posts for over a year. Please refrain from posting over here for it always turns into a barroom brawl. I am not trying to monitor any such thread...nor do I feel like being taken to task because of some things that are going to be said to you. You know perfectly well what is going to happen. For as long as you have been posting over here...nothing has changed. I think it's about time that you accept the fact that it's not going to change. You have to learn to agree to disagree instead of trying to force someone to believe you. Personally, I could give less than a damn what someone thought of me. As far as I'm concerned...that's their problem cuz it sure wouldn't be mine!  I'm inclined to ask the same question DeeEss asked...if you have so much respect for me...why do you continue to post here and cause disruption? When you can answer that truthfully, I will listen. But as for now...would you please stop! |
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Post by Brandy on Jul 5, 2005 20:57:35 GMT -5
This a good article, Brandy. I saw it on another board and it kinda spark debate. I agree that we have become lax in our spelling and composition. I actually find posting on the board helpful as it helps with my writing and comprehension skills. I always have trouble being 'concise' and I tend to always write out in 'detail', to the point whatever point I'm trying to make, sounds longwinded. But I'm working on it. I don't know if this happens to other people, but do you guys have trouble writing in script? I mean, I type so much on the computer that sometimes, I have trouble actually writing script. Thanks Hp. I get like that too but most of the times I might make my point short depending on what it is I'm speaking on. writing in script? |
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Post by Jody on Jul 5, 2005 21:40:49 GMT -5
Bee, I can and have answered you truthfully everytime...It is a matter of being fair. Tell these people who continually use my name here, or bring up old threads just to harass, the same thing and tell them to stop posting their BS. That is the honest truth. I have NEVER lied to you. I respect you in every way, with the exception of turning a deaf ear to others that disrupt...The fair thing to do is to tell ALL people who are mean spirited to get lost...That Ms Beez is the real reason, I have tried to tell you this before. I have NEVER had that mentality to call people stupid, or idiot or whore, or any of the other name calling that certain ones have done. Personally, I do not think that is what made the Palace the great board it was...This board didn't use to be that way. I was on this board when it was not this way. I NEVER argued, we never had these hateful confrontations then. WHY NOW??? FAIRNESS ALL THE WAY!!!If it is too much to be fair, then maybe it is too much...I know oyu do not want to police, but on a board, that is usually a have to situation...I came here to answer another poster, again insinuating that they were talking about me again Why do THEY continue to use my name to cause disruption? FAIR BEEZ? I am not telling you HOW to run the Palace, I am saying if you want the image of unfair with potential posters and new members feeling if they want to post, then they must post in agreement with the other posters, then go for it, if you want a fair board, then make it such. Queenie and I posted to each other in a civil tone today, until DR came in with her mouth. I am not saying that DR had to agree with us, I am saying, say what she wanted to say without derogatory titles laid on someone...ie: idiot, why is that necessary? If it is necessary to have the hateful tone, then do not reprimand me for rebuttal...What is good for the goose is good for the gander...Who are you to tell me that I cannot defend myself anyway? I am NO BETTER than you, and I am NO less than you...We stand equal in GOD's eyes... Yes, it is your board, but it is me and my life they degrade...Maybe you would not care, I DO, and I do NOT accept it... Jody, I asked you the other day not to post...but you continue to do so. I locked the thread...now you have jumped in this one on the pretense of posting to HP. Next thing you know...the posts will be a continuation of the thread that is locked. I don't intend to lock up my entire board because of you. Nothing ever changes during these outbursts. I am sick of reading the same posts for over a year. Please refrain from posting over here for it always turns into a barroom brawl. I am not trying to monitor any such thread...nor do I feel like being taken to task because of some things that are going to be said to you. You know perfectly well what is going to happen. For as long as you have been posting over here...nothing has changed. I think it's about time that you accept the fact that it's not going to change. You have to learn to agree to disagree instead of trying to force someone to believe you. Personally, I could give less than a damn what someone thought of me. As far as I'm concerned...that's their problem cuz it sure wouldn't be mine! I'm inclined to ask the same question DeeEss asked...if you have so much respect for me...why do you continue to post here and cause disruption? When you can answer that truthfully, I will listen. But as for now...would you please stop! |
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Post by Jody on Jul 5, 2005 21:44:54 GMT -5
There was no pretense, I was posting to Common...I loved that girl, and I was only saying it like it was. By the way, I have posted other post today, not just to Common... Bee, I can and have answered you truthfully everytime...It is a matter of being fair. Tell these people who continually use my name here, or bring up old threads just to harass, the same thing and tell them to stop posting their BS. That is the honest truth. I have NEVER lied to you. I respect you in every way, with the exception of turning a deaf ear to others that disrupt...The fair thing to do is to tell ALL people who are mean spirited to get lost...That Ms Beez is the real reason, I have tried to tell you this before. I have NEVER had that mentality to call people stupid, or idiot or whore, or any of the other name calling that certain ones have done. Personally, I do not think that is what made the Palace the great board it was...This board didn't use to be that way. I was on this board when it was not this way. I NEVER argued, we never had these hateful confrontations then. WHY NOW??? FAIRNESS ALL THE WAY!!!If it is too much to be fair, then maybe it is too much...I know you do not want to police, but on a board, that is usually a have to situation...I came here to answer another poster, again insinuating that they were talking about me again Why do THEY continue to use my name to cause disruption? FAIR BEEZ? I am not telling you HOW to run the Palace, I am saying if you want the image of unfair with potential posters and new members feeling if they want to post, then they must post in agreement with the other posters, then go for it, if you want a fair board, then make it such. Queenie and I posted to each other in a civil tone today, until DR came in with her mouth. I am not saying that DR had to agree with us, I am saying, say what she wanted to say without derogatory titles laid on someone...ie: idiot, why is that necessary? If it is necessary to have the hateful tone, then do not reprimand me for rebuttal...What is good for the goose is good for the gander...Who are you to tell me that I cannot defend myself anyway? I am NO BETTER than you, and I am NO less than you...We stand equal in GOD's eyes... Yes, it is your board, but it is me and my life they degrade...Maybe you would not care, I DO, and I do NOT accept it... Jody, I asked you the other day not to post...but you continue to do so. I locked the thread...now you have jumped in this one on the pretense of posting to HP. Next thing you know...the posts will be a continuation of the thread that is locked. I don't intend to lock up my entire board because of you. Nothing ever changes during these outbursts. I am sick of reading the same posts for over a year. Please refrain from posting over here for it always turns into a barroom brawl. I am not trying to monitor any such thread...nor do I feel like being taken to task because of some things that are going to be said to you. You know perfectly well what is going to happen. For as long as you have been posting over here...nothing has changed. I think it's about time that you accept the fact that it's not going to change. You have to learn to agree to disagree instead of trying to force someone to believe you. Personally, I could give less than a damn what someone thought of me. As far as I'm concerned...that's their problem cuz it sure wouldn't be mine! I'm inclined to ask the same question DeeEss asked...if you have so much respect for me...why do you continue to post here and cause disruption? When you can answer that truthfully, I will listen. But as for now...would you please stop! |
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jul 5, 2005 21:55:03 GMT -5
 Jody... I am not trying to get into a long discussion with you about this same issue. The disruption comes when you start posting and you expect me to come out with a strap and start whipping posters in line telling them what they should and shouldn't say to you. I'm not gonna do it. You have DRU...you should be content over there, but something keeps drawing you back here... Please do not post anymore or your post will be deleted. For as long as you can post, I can delete...please don't try me. I've locked 2 threads because of you and I will not be locking anymore.
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Post by Brandy on Jul 5, 2005 22:39:16 GMT -5
No, I am not tell you to whip everyone into line. The laws we all agree to when we join is all that is necessary... It tells ALL what they can and cannot do...They have not been inforced...those threads you deleted were ones that they chose to dog me, and you chose to let them. I had a rebuttal, then you chose to close the thread. DO what you will Beez, like always, it is me that you choose to be unfair to...SORRY I care...You have your reasons, I hope they fit your plan...I wish you well... Jody... I am not trying to get into a long discussion with you about this same issue. The disruption comes when you start posting and you expect me to come out with a strap and start whipping posters in line telling them what they should and shouldn't say to you. I'm not gonna do it. You have DRU...you should be content over there, but something keeps drawing you back here... Please do not post anymore or your post will be deleted. For as long as you can post, I can delete...please don't try me. I've locked 2 threads because of you and I will not be locking anymore. Jody why the hell are you in this thread? didn't Bees tell you to not post on this board? what part do you not understand? Why are you in here contradicting the hell out of yourself and lying on top of that? Nobody here wants to hear a WORD from you. nobody cares about how you feel or what you think. none of the members here are running over on DRU everytime you and your unbalanced ilk feel the need to want to bait people into doing so. You came over here posting to the members who clearly don't give a damn about you or what you have to say. you bring it on yourself so GO AWAY. nobody is interested in anything you have to say.     |
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Post by Brandy on Jul 5, 2005 23:25:14 GMT -5
And the reason you allow this type of post is what Beez?  ? Jody why the hell are you in this thread? didn't Bees tell you to not post on this board? what part do you not understand? Why are you in here contradicting the hell out of yourself and lying on top of that? Nobody here wants to hear a WORD from you. nobody cares about how you feel or what you think. none of the members here are running over on DRU everytime you and your unbalanced ilk feel the need to want to bait people into doing so. You came over here posting to the members who clearly don't give a damn about you or what you have to say. you bring it on yourself so GO AWAY. nobody is interested in anything you have to say. Jody see your way out of this thread. NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS IS NOT YOUR BOARD NOBODY WAS TALKING TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. You come replying to stuff that does not concern you. see your way back to your bored. You have no business trying to tell Bees what to do or how to run her board. get your simple self on. you couldn't wait till I logged out to post.simple minded fool. |
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Post by BroMan on Jul 6, 2005 1:07:16 GMT -5
And the reason you allow this type of post is what Beez??An WHUT givs YU da rite tu axe Mz.bees enythang bout HUR bord? Yu hav foegot ur place...wich is OUTSID lookin en. Who are you to tell me that I cannot defend myself anyway?
WHU iz she? Now I noes yu iz STOOPID!!! Diz iz HUR tributk. YU luved him sew mech...Whares urs? WHUT hav yu dune foe hiz memry excep tellin enebode dat wil lissen dat yu slep wit him. WHARE iz ur xpressien of Luv tu diz man? Stop usin otha folks wurk an creativety tu proclame ur undyin luv foe diz man dat wuznt evin UR man. STOP tryin tu distroy sumthin dat YU hav nuttin tu dew wit creatin dat wuz maid wit Luv foe da man yu CLAME tu luv. Al yu ded wuz tu stumba on diz bord an tri tu mak it ur place tu remanence. YU dint brang one thang tu diz bord otha den trouble. NOBODE kares bout YU,UR Chileren, ore UR affare wit Mr.Ruffin.  I wood ratha herre frome Genna. Et leask folks noes whu she iz. Iffen yu dint  ovah herre lookin foe a whole tu krawl thru yu woodnt noe whut enybode sed bout yu. Da besk wey tu defent urself iz tu sta awey. Yes, it is your board, but it is me and my life they degrade...Maybe you would not care, I DO, and I do NOT accept it...
Yu mest not hav mech offa life iffen it kin be degradet on ah message bord. Diz iz ah message bord, jest ah message bord. Yu acks lik itz ur life line. Maebe it iz.Butta herres a lettle truff foe yu. NOBODE liks yu ovah herre. NOBODE respecks yu ovah herre. NOBODE wonts ur azz ovah herre. YOU hav bin BANNED frome ovah herre. Foe mosk folks wit cents datz reasin enuff foe yu NOT tu poks ovah herre. No matter how much you wish Ruffin hadn't died the fact remains that he is dead. If you want to keep his memory alive you need to do something that makes sense. Now he has another embarrassing moment in his life and that's having an association with the likes of your stupid ass! Dee yu hav tolt da truff rite thare. Sad but tru! Bye Da Wey!! Welcom bak Dee Ess! 
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I'm inclined to ask the same question DeeEss asked...if you have so much respect for me...why do you continue to post here and cause disruption? When you can answer that truthfully, I will listen. But as for now...would you please stop!
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