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Post by questions on Mar 22, 2010 19:49:31 GMT -5
Real Talk, how do you know that Mr. Ruffin was shopping, flashing and partying? Were you with him during those faithful last days?
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Post by FOR REAL TALK on Mar 22, 2010 20:09:21 GMT -5
LETS SAY I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
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Post by Drex on Mar 26, 2010 19:17:20 GMT -5
LETS SAY I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. Dear Sir or Madam, I would like to ask just one question if I may, did you know Mr. David well enough to know if he ever used heroin?
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Post by BroMan on Mar 27, 2010 12:11:41 GMT -5
SL postet
((((SL)))) U maid ah gud point. Speedball is a drug term for the mixing of heroin and cocaine. This is a potentially lethal concoction: the cocaine acts as a stimulant, raising the heartbeat, but its effects wear off more quickly than those of heroin, which in turn slows the heart. As a result, it is possible to experience a delayed "overdose" (technically, severe respiratory depression) when the stimulant wears off and the full effects of the heroin are felt in isolation. The term "speedball" was by consensus almost always in reference to an injection unless otherwise stated, but the popularization of the concept in recent years has meant that many people who insufflate heroin and cocaine now combine the two drugs in order to achieve the purported effects. Some people who use heroin also combine it with smoked freebase cocaine (crack); in some circles this is considered a type of speedball
Vere Interestin!
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Post by BeesNVMe on Mar 27, 2010 18:46:29 GMT -5
I have heard of crackheads doing speedballs...sometimes they call it 8 ball. When it comes to drug usage...anything can be possible. Didn't there a guy from Hi Five or one of those type of groups...end of dead last year from sniffing some fumes from the air conditioner?
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Post by Drex on Mar 28, 2010 10:25:23 GMT -5
I heard from two close friends of Mr. David and one relative that he would never knowingly use heroin. When they heard about the "traces of heroin" they felt it was a forced overdose.
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Post by SarahLee on Mar 28, 2010 13:04:55 GMT -5
I have heard of crackheads doing speedballs...sometimes they call it 8 ball. When it comes to drug usage...anything can be possible. Didn't there a guy from Hi Five or one of those type of groups...end of dead last year from sniffing some fumes from the air conditioner? (((Bees))) Exactly!!! It's well documented David Ruffin's drug of choice was cocaine. But who can say with certainity that he never experimented with or smoked on occassion what's known as speedball? There is NOBODY regardless of relationship that could possibly know what drugs a addict has used or will use, unless of course they were present each time he got high. They can say what they think or feel,but NOBODY can say what an addict would never knowingly use,except the addict themselves or the peoole that were getting high with them. I've heard people that drink say they woukd never smoke weed,or people that smoke weed say they would never smoke crack,but low and behold they did.. In David Ruffin's case it was reported he died from coacaine not heroin. Even if there were traces of heroin in his system the coroner didn't attribute his death to that drug. So if he did herion knowingly or unknowingly what difference does it make? Heroin didn't kill him,crack cocaine did,according to the reports. Unless the coroner was in on this grand conspriacy and filed a false report. People getting all up in arms about traces of heroin,but both drugs are deadly,and there is no difference between a junkie and a crackhead. At any rate it will always be speculation and opinion at best,because no one that wasn't there could possibly know what happened. And unless a crediable source from the "crackhouse" (if that's possible) comes forward no one will ever know. AND no matter how well anybody thinks they know somebody, they really don't know without a doubt what another person is capable of doing,or willing to do. Nobody knows everything about anybody.
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Post by SarahLee on Mar 28, 2010 14:11:24 GMT -5
I BELIEVE DR WAS ROBBED TOO. BUT TURN AROUND IS FAIR PLAY HE WAS ROBBING DE AND EK. 40 GRAND IN THE HANDS OF A CRACKHEAD MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT DE AND EK WAS HIGH ON. DR WAS SMOKING THAT MONEY UP DAILY. SHOPPING, FLASHING,PARTYING. HE DIDNT MESS UP ALL OF IT BUT THE MONEY LEFT WASNT CLOSE TO 40 GRAND. SORRY DR FANS.NO HURT INTENDED. BUT LETS KEEP IT 100. DE WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CRACKHEADS HE KICKED IT WITH. I too have wondered why David held onto the money that belonged to Eddie and Dennis so long. If his intentions were to wire them their share,why did he give it to Murrell to begin with? No doubt he was probably spending his thrid of the money, so why didn't he send Eddie and Dennis their share? I'm sure they didn't expect a 2 week wait to get their pay. I "believe" there was something funny going on with the money before that tragic night. You can wire money 24/7.
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Post by molly on Mar 28, 2010 14:46:52 GMT -5
Not just addicts SL, People in general have done things they said they would never do. ;D ;D I know I have. ;D ;D
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Post by Reel Tawk on Mar 28, 2010 15:43:35 GMT -5
While Drex is asking so many questions I wonder how many times she pondered the theory that David Ruffin had a large sum of money and simply went on a binge. That's what most addicts do. As soon as they get some money they start getting high all over again. Drex have you ever wondered if he had messed up the money? Who would hold someone's money intact and carry it around for two weeks, addict or otherwise? The logical thing to do would be to wire the money as soon as he got it. I would not want to be responsible for it unless I had deposited it in a bank or something. It doesn't take rocket science and a 10 year investigation to figure this out. Drex you seem like more of an enabler than an investigator. Think Drex, think!
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Post by SarahLee on Mar 28, 2010 17:36:35 GMT -5
I'm glad For Real Talk and Reel Tawk bought up the money subject, in another light. No direspect meant to David Ruffin,but it's suprising that there has not been a discussion about the money not being wired in a timely manner. 2 weeks isn't timely. I never understood why Dennis and Eddie's share was given to someone else for safe keeping. It makes no sense to me. Eddie and Dennis were waiting to recieve their money. David knew this so why didn't he send it?That's why I question how much money was actually left.Not any of the 3 were wealthy,so the other 2 wanted/needed their money too.No one wants to address that,because it's easier to say he met with foul play because of the money. Whos to say the money wasn't 'missing' before David Ruffin's death? I'm not saying that David was not robbed before or after his death,because that's very possible. But the fact that he called Eddie and promised to wire the money on the following Monday doesn't mean that was his intentions or that he still had all of his partner's share. We know he was using,he fell ill in a crackhouse. There would have been no reason to "tuck" the money away in a safe place,if the money had been sent to it's rightful owner's in the first place.
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Post by Sammy on Mar 28, 2010 18:54:44 GMT -5
if you talk about DR playing games with the money .you gotta acknowledge he was crackhead. idol worshpers cant do that. painting him as a victim excuses him from not doing the right thing by EK and DE. if there was a crime it started with DR keeping the money. he was a phenomenal talent with a drug addiction. drug addictions make a person do things out of character. like f**king up your friends money.
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Post by Drex on Apr 6, 2010 21:41:42 GMT -5
I was sent an answering machine tape of DR in March 1991arguing and being threatened by someone in Philadelphia. David made a call to Detroit and the answering machine picked up the call. David and this person continued to argue and the machine recorded it. David was threatened. He called from a landline.
About the money. DS was with David a little over a year, he was with other woman much longer. Woman who bore him children and helped him. The money should have went to his children, but should it be suggested a woman should get it, there were former wives and friends who were in the trenches with David longer.
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Post by Drex on Apr 6, 2010 21:44:39 GMT -5
I'm glad For Real Talk and Reel Tawk bought up the money subject, in another light. No direspect meant to David Ruffin,but it's suprising that there has not been a discussion about the money not being wired in a timely manner. 2 weeks isn't timely. I never understood why Dennis and Eddie's share was given to someone else for safe keeping. It makes no sense to me. Eddie and Dennis were waiting to recieve their money. David knew this so why didn't he send it?That's why I question how much money was actually left.Not any of the 3 were wealthy,so the other 2 wanted/needed their money too.No one wants to address that,because it's easier to say he met with foul play because of the money. Whos to say the money wasn't 'missing' before David Ruffin's death? I'm not saying that David was not robbed before or after his death,because that's very possible. But the fact that he called Eddie and promised to wire the money on the following Monday doesn't mean that was his intentions or that he still had all of his partner's share. We know he was using,he fell ill in a crackhouse. There would have been no reason to "tuck" the money away in a safe place,if the money had been sent to it's rightful owner's in the first place. According to Butch Murrell, David gave Murrell the money upon returning from Europe. In addition, Murrell reported he told Eddie and Dennia, via telephone, "I see your money. All $100-dollar-bills." Murrell said David gave it to him for, and I again quote, "safe-keeping". Who was guarding the guard?
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 7, 2010 10:24:23 GMT -5
I'm glad For Real Talk and Reel Tawk bought up the money subject, in another light. No direspect meant to David Ruffin,but it's suprising that there has not been a discussion about the money not being wired in a timely manner. 2 weeks isn't timely. I never understood why Dennis and Eddie's share was given to someone else for safe keeping. It makes no sense to me. Eddie and Dennis were waiting to recieve their money. David knew this so why didn't he send it?That's why I question how much money was actually left.Not any of the 3 were wealthy,so the other 2 wanted/needed their money too.No one wants to address that,because it's easier to say he met with foul play because of the money. Whos to say the money wasn't 'missing' before David Ruffin's death? I'm not saying that David was not robbed before or after his death,because that's very possible. But the fact that he called Eddie and promised to wire the money on the following Monday doesn't mean that was his intentions or that he still had all of his partner's share. We know he was using,he fell ill in a crackhouse. There would have been no reason to "tuck" the money away in a safe place,if the money had been sent to it's rightful owner's in the first place. According to Butch Murrell, David gave Murrell the money upon returning from Europe. In addition, Murrell reported he told Eddie and Dennia, via telephone, "I see your money. All $100-dollar-bills." Murrell said David gave it to him for, and I again quote, "safe-keeping". Who was guarding the guard? The question is WHY did anyone have to "safe guard" money that should have been wired to it's rightful owners? Two thirds of that money wasn't David's. Why did he decide to give it to Murrell instead of EK and DE? The blame can't be shifted to anyone other than David. The money should have NEVER been in Murrells hands to begin with. EK or DE didn't trust Murrel with the money,they trusted David. David betrayed their trust by giving anybody access to their money.
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