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Post by Drex on Oct 30, 2011 15:32:20 GMT -5
Why is it money is always put into a briefcase? It just seems so typical and I am sure there are better containers that are not nearly as loseable. A 4foot tall piggy bank for instance, A wallet meant for those checks the Publishers Clearing House gives, Maybe even ... One of those checks Publishers Clearing House gives. All of these are hard items to misplace, or at least hard not to notice if they go walking away. The story as told to police and reporters concerning money and/or checks being in the briefcase was a made-up lie. Once David Ruffin gave the money to Murrell, he did not have possession of the total amount again, not even days before his overdose. Follow the money. Go back and read the Philadelphia Inquirer, Murrell told police and reporters David gave him CASH, all 100 dollar bills and gave the CASH to Murrell for safekeeping. I know, Murrell also said David "asked" for the money, but piecing together ALL the information, from others, not just Murrell or Showers, Brown or Nowell....David was "waiting" on the balance of the CASH to be returned "come bank time Monday morning" Sadly, Ruffin was overdosed while waiting.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 11, 2011 19:15:46 GMT -5
Why is it money is always put into a briefcase? It just seems so typical and I am sure there are better containers that are not nearly as loseable. A 4foot tall piggy bank for instance, A wallet meant for those checks the Publishers Clearing House gives, Maybe even ... One of those checks Publishers Clearing House gives. All of these are hard items to misplace, or at least hard not to notice if they go walking away. The story as told to police and reporters concerning money and/or checks being in the briefcase was a made-up lie. Once David Ruffin gave the money to Murrell, he did not have possession of the total amount again, not even days before his overdose. Follow the money. Go back and read the Philadelphia Inquirer, Murrell told police and reporters David gave him CASH, all 100 dollar bills and gave the CASH to Murrell for safekeeping. I know, Murrell also said David "asked" for the money, but piecing together ALL the information, from others, not just Murrell or Showers, Brown or Nowell....David was "waiting" on the balance of the CASH to be returned "come bank time Monday morning" Sadly, Ruffin was overdosed while waiting. One's inteligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence
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Post by Drex on Dec 13, 2011 11:29:20 GMT -5
Awwww but the search for truth continues and so does the interest. BTW, I'm certain it is posted but TV1 will air "Unsung: David Ruffin" on February 27th. Not my project, this is David Jr. Otis and others. But, I can't wait to see how Mr. David's death is portrayed.
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Post by Drex on Dec 13, 2011 11:35:28 GMT -5
The story as told to police and reporters concerning money and/or checks being in the briefcase was a made-up lie. Once David Ruffin gave the money to Murrell, he did not have possession of the total amount again, not even days before his overdose. Follow the money. Go back and read the Philadelphia Inquirer, Murrell told police and reporters David gave him CASH, all 100 dollar bills and gave the CASH to Murrell for safekeeping. I know, Murrell also said David "asked" for the money, but piecing together ALL the information, from others, not just Murrell or Showers, Brown or Nowell....David was "waiting" on the balance of the CASH to be returned "come bank time Monday morning" Sadly, Ruffin was overdosed while waiting. One's inteligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence That ship has sailed....question (and it's spelled intelligence) all you wish. Obsessive love mixed with rejection caused the "accidental overdose."
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 14, 2011 10:19:05 GMT -5
One's inteligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence That ship has sailed....question (and it's spelled intelligence) all you wish. Obsessive love mixed with rejection caused the "accidental overdose." Knowing how to spell Intelligence, Is certainly not a indicator that you possess any. But thanks for the correction. One's intelligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence. Ahhh that's better!
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Post by You can Stop Now on Dec 14, 2011 11:00:17 GMT -5
Awwww but the search for truth continues and so does the interest. BTW, I'm certain it is posted but TV1 will air "Unsung: David Ruffin" on February 27th. Not my project, this is David Jr. Otis and others. But, I can't wait to see how Mr. David's death is portrayed. A one woman/man search can hardly be described as "The Search For Truth". On the "interest' front, the way it stands now and has been for many years, those closest to David Ruffin are not interested. Thanks for the disclaimer that this is not your "project". Although very unnecesary. No one would expect VH1 or any reputable enity to destroy their brand by repeating or aligning themselves with your preposterous claims.
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Post by Drex on Dec 14, 2011 14:22:31 GMT -5
That ship has sailed....question (and it's spelled intelligence) all you wish. Obsessive love mixed with rejection caused the "accidental overdose." Knowing how to spell Intelligence, Is certainly not a indicator that you possess any. But thanks for the correction. One's intelligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence. Ahhh that's better! Oh sweetie, you are quessing as to what I can prove? Stay focused. This is about David Ruffin, obsessive love and rejection and finally his intentional overdose.
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Post by Drex on Dec 14, 2011 14:33:39 GMT -5
Awwww but the search for truth continues and so does the interest. BTW, I'm certain it is posted but TV1 will air "Unsung: David Ruffin" on February 27th. Not my project, this is David Jr. Otis and others. But, I can't wait to see how Mr. David's death is portrayed. A one woman/man search can hardly be described as "The Search For Truth". On the "interest' front, the way it stands now and has been for many years, those closest to David Ruffin are not interested. Thanks for the disclaimer that this is not your "project". Although very unnecesary. No one would expect VH1 or any reputable enity to destroy their brand by repeating or aligning themselves with your preposterous claims. This, sadly I agree with...many of those closest to Mr. Ruffin bought the b/s hook, line and sinker. It is interesting why the last woman he "lived with", not "was with" ;-)) didn't do more when she learned of the other drugs listed in his autopsy report...or...alert police Saturday, June 1, 1991 that Murrell had brought her the briefcase instead of taking it to police investigators...or tell the truth that Ruffin had announced he was moving away from Philadelphia; when instead, she said they were planning to wed. Obessive love mixed with rejection.
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Post by Drex on Dec 14, 2011 14:41:41 GMT -5
Awwww but the search for truth continues and so does the interest. BTW, I'm certain it is posted but TV1 will air "Unsung: David Ruffin" on February 27th. Not my project, this is David Jr. Otis and others. But, I can't wait to see how Mr. David's death is portrayed. Did anyone watch Unsung Tammi Terrell last Sunday? Her surgeon IMO "cleared" Mr. David and James Brown from, in his professional opinion, causing her illness. I was glad, for his children to hear the physican say this. They spoke of the alleged abuse.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 14, 2011 14:59:56 GMT -5
Knowing how to spell Intelligence, Is certainly not a indicator that you possess any. But thanks for the correction. One's intelligence, and credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence. Ahhh that's better! Oh sweetie, you are quessing as to what I can prove? Stay focused. This is about David Ruffin, obsessive love and rejection and finally his intentional overdose. On the contrary. I'm not "guessing" as to what you can prove. I am adamantly stating that YOUR TRUTH is based on insufficent evidence, therefore what you feel you know can never be proved. Perhaps you should be focused on Reality,rather than vain imaginations based on what? Nothing. Let's not play word games,when the truth is extremely stark. Obviously if you could prove your preposterous theories, YOU would.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 14, 2011 15:09:53 GMT -5
A one woman/man search can hardly be described as "The Search For Truth". On the "interest' front, the way it stands now and has been for many years, those closest to David Ruffin are not interested. Thanks for the disclaimer that this is not your "project". Although very unnecesary. No one would expect VH1 or any reputable enity to destroy their brand by repeating or aligning themselves with your preposterous claims. This, sadly I agree with...many of those closest to Mr. Ruffin bought the b/s hook, line and sinker. It is interesting why the last woman he "lived with", not "was with" ;-)) didn't do more when she learned of the other drugs listed in his autopsy report...or...alert police Saturday, June 1, 1991 that Murrell had brought her the briefcase instead of taking it to police investigators...or tell the truth that Ruffin had announced he was moving away from Philadelphia; when instead, she said they were planning to wed. Obessive love mixed with rejection. I am most certain that my first observation still applies. One's Intelligence, and Credibility must be called into question when they accept something to be TRUE, on the basis of insufficient evidence.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 14, 2011 20:08:19 GMT -5
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I owe you an apology. I didn't realize that you knew these people personally, until I read how you detailed the private interactions of the Ruffin/Showers relationship. You must have been a trusted friend to one or both of them, to relay their personal conversations and intentions as you just did. I now understand your passion, You obviously had a birds eye view of what was "really" going on behind closed doors. I also applaud your ability to remember these events with such clarity 20 years later. However, I must disagree with you about Ms.Showers access to the autopsy reports. Mr. Ruffins relatives did,and they did not "do more" regarding the other drugs found in his system. My understanding of the events was David Ruffin was not taken from Ms,Showers home to the hospitial, rather he was taken from a crack house. Nor was Ms.Showers with him that evening in the crack house,which brings me to ask the question Who in the crack house does your statement of "Obessive love mixed with rejection" refer to? With your wealth of first hand knowledge, have you thought of writting a book that chronicles the Ruffin/Showers relationship as well as his final days in Philadelphia. Very little is factually known about the relationship or his lifestyle at that time. Perhaps you and Ms.Showers could collaborate,since you both were there.
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Post by Drex on Dec 15, 2011 15:33:24 GMT -5
. I owe you an apology. I didn't realize that you knew these people personally, until I read how you detailed the private interactions of the Ruffin/Showers relationship. You must have been a trusted friend to one or both of them, to relay their personal conversations and intentions as you just did. I now understand your passion, You obviously had a birds eye view of what was "really" going on behind closed doors. I also applaud your ability to remember these events with such clarity 20 years later. However, I must disagree with you about Ms.Showers access to the autopsy reports. Mr. Ruffins relatives did,and they did not "do more" regarding the other drugs found in his system. My understanding of the events was David Ruffin was not taken from Ms,Showers home to the hospitial, rather he was taken from a crack house. Nor was Ms.Showers with him that evening in the crack house,which brings me to ask the question Who in the crack house does your statement of "Obessive love mixed with rejection" refer to? With your wealth of first hand knowledge, have you thought of writting a book that chronicles the Ruffin/Showers relationship as well as his final days in Philadelphia. Very little is factually known about the relationship or his lifestyle at that time. Perhaps you and Ms.Showers could collaborate,since you both were there. Yeah, folks were less than accurate on their reporting to police and the media. I will still pay for a board certified polygraph test for ANYONE who was with or spoke to David Ruffin the last week of his life will submit to the test. My treat. ;-)
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Post by drex on Dec 15, 2011 15:40:09 GMT -5
. I owe you an apology. I didn't realize that you knew these people personally, until I read how you detailed the private interactions of the Ruffin/Showers relationship. You must have been a trusted friend to one or both of them, to relay their personal conversations and intentions as you just did. I now understand your passion, You obviously had a birds eye view of what was "really" going on behind closed doors. I also applaud your ability to remember these events with such clarity 20 years later. However, I must disagree with you about Ms.Showers access to the autopsy reports. Mr. Ruffins relatives did,and they did not "do more" regarding the other drugs found in his system. My understanding of the events was David Ruffin was not taken from Ms,Showers home to the hospitial, rather he was taken from a crack house. Nor was Ms.Showers with him that evening in the crack house,which brings me to ask the question Who in the crack house does your statement of "Obessive love mixed with rejection" refer to? With your wealth of first hand knowledge, have you thought of writting a book that chronicles the Ruffin/Showers relationship as well as his final days in Philadelphia. Very little is factually known about the relationship or his lifestyle at that time. Perhaps you and Ms.Showers could collaborate,since you both were there. Yeah, folks were less than accurate on their reporting to police and the media. I will still pay for a board certified polygraph test for ANYONE who was with or spoke to David Ruffin the last week of his life will submit to the test. My treat. ;-) I'll even provide the questions: 1. Did you last see David on Wednesday, May 29th? 2. Did you last see David on Sunday May 26th? 3. Do you know if David Ruffin was intentionally overdoes? 4. Did you intentionally overdose David Ruffin? 5. Did you speak with Butch Murrell on the telephone from May 26th until June 13th 1991? 6. Do you know Donald Brown? Did David Ruffin tell you he was leaving you and moving away from Philadelphia? 7. Do you know who spent David Ruffin's cash?
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 15, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
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Today at 3:33pm, Drex wrote: Yesterday at 8:08pm, You Can Stop Now wrote: .
I owe you an apology. I didn't realize that you knew these people personally, until I read how you detailed the private interactions of the Ruffin/Showers relationship. You must have been a trusted friend to one or both of them, to relay their personal conversations and intentions as you just did. I now understand your passion, You obviously had a birds eye view of what was "really" going on behind closed doors. I also applaud your ability to remember these events with such clarity 20 years later. However, I must disagree with you about Ms.Showers access to the autopsy reports. Mr. Ruffins relatives did,and they did not "do more" regarding the other drugs found in his system. My understanding of the events was David Ruffin was not taken from Ms,Showers home to the hospitial, rather he was taken from a crack house. Nor was Ms.Showers with him that evening in the crack house,which brings me to ask the question Who in the crack house does your statement of "Obessive love mixed with rejection" refer to? With your wealth of first hand knowledge, have you thought of writting a book that chronicles the Ruffin/Showers relationship as well as his final days in Philadelphia. Very little is factually known about the relationship or his lifestyle at that time. Perhaps you and Ms.Showers could collaborate,since you both were there.
Yeah, folks were less than accurate on their reporting to police and the media. I will still pay for a board certified polygraph test for ANYONE who was with or spoke to David Ruffin the last week of his life will submit to the test. My treat. ;-)
I'll even provide the questions: 1. Did you last see David on Wednesday, May 29th? 2. Did you last see David on Sunday May 26th? 3. Do you know if David Ruffin was intentionally overdoes? 4. Did you intentionally overdose David Ruffin? 5. Did you speak with Butch Murrell on the telephone from May 26th until June 13th 1991? 6. Do you know Donald Brown? Did David Ruffin tell you he was leaving you and moving away from Philadelphia? 7. Do you know who spent David Ruffin's cash?[/quote]
To whom are these questions to be asked? Are they all to be asked of one person? I find this question albeit LUDICROUS it's still intersting. Did you intentionally overdose David Ruffin? Are you suggestng David Ruffin's presence in a crack house,was for any other purpose than using crack? Allow me to educate you on this point. People that frequent crack dens are either selling or buying and using. Furthermore why bother to ask questions that your series of post suggest you already have personal knowledge of the answers? My question to you is are you doing this on behalf of Dennis Edwards or the estate of Eddie Kendricks? You continue to refer to the "missing" cash as David Ruffin's cash,when in fact it was not. The monies Murrell "supposedly" was holding belonged to Kendricks and Edwards. David Ruffin was always in possession of his share of the money.(a fact that can be proven) I can also provide your answer to this question. Do you know who spent David Ruffin's cash? David Ruffin spent David Ruffin's money. The intelligent inquiry would be Do you know who spent Dennis edwards and Eddie Kendricks cash? If in fact you are attempting to "follow the money" then Your entire investigation (for lack of a better word) hinges on the most pertinent questions, that you are obviosly too inept to consider. 1-Did Murrell actually hold any money for safe keeping? (This has to be proved first) 2-If there is evidence (actual proof) of number 1. How much cash was Murrell given? 3-Only after 1 and 2 have been proven. How many times did David Ruffin request monies from Murrell? 4-After sufficient proof of 1,2,3 have been established .How much money did Murrell return to David Ruffin?
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