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Post by Drex on Apr 6, 2010 21:50:47 GMT -5
It's easier to jump to conclusions,than to discuss something using common sense. I agree with all the points made here. Diane never said David didn't give her any of the money,she said she didn't see the money. I hope she had enough sense to get something from him. I know i would have. David Ruffin was a grown man,MOST grown people have financial obligations,and all addicts struggle with paying bills or paying the drug man. Murrell is quoted as telling Eddie he "saw" the money,but what else was he going to say? He was David's friend,he wasn't about to tell Eddie that David was spending the money. So trying to use that as proof David had the money is beyond ridiculous. David was stalling EK and DE for some reason. For all we know Murrell may have never had the money. There was no reason for him to do so. David took time to fax a contract to Ms.Bowden,you telling me he didn't have time to wire his partners their money? There was no reason for him to hold onto their share of the money.Period. I believe with all my heart David dipped into EK and DE share of the money. I also believe if the remaining money was taken it was either after David was on his way to the hospitial,or after he died. But as some posted,how do we know any money was left? Again, Murrell is quoted he told Eddie and Dennis, "I see your money all $100-dollar-bills" Murrell is also quoted David gave it to him for "safekeeping." Tony Turner is quoted David told him he would be wiring the money 'bank-time Monday morning.'" Of course he didn'e make it. David didn't have a bank account in Philadelphia, this much I know. So who had the money in their bank, or said they did - stalling him over the weekend?
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 7, 2010 10:12:37 GMT -5
Murrel said ..David said... AGAIN, what else was Murrell going to say to Eddie? What else was David going to say to TT? NOBODY has even hinted that the money was in anybodys bank account WTF? ? The story of the " hour" ,was Murrell was holding the money. Murrell is quoted he told Eddie and Dennis, "I see your money all $100-dollar-bills" Murrell is also quoted David gave it to him for "safekeeping." We're discussing why David was stalling? We're discussing Why it would take David 2 weeks to wire the money, We're discussing why the money was being held by a 3rd party period! It's obvious by the reports WE all have read the person that was stalling was none other than David Ruffin. Our question is why? Again,we all have read TT book,so there is no need for you to continually recite quotes from it to us. The question is Why Did It Take David 2 Weeks to Send EK and DE their money? Why was he stallingKEEP UP!!! If you have nothing to add to this discussion other than these same quotes,Why are you even bothering to post? Spare US from your repetitive BS Please!
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 7, 2010 10:57:41 GMT -5
Good thing for dumb drex that STUPIDITY isn't a crime! She would be serving a life's sentence!! ((Bees)) I wish there was a way to "lock" her fat sloppy ass off this board forever!
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Post by BroMan on Apr 7, 2010 12:18:41 GMT -5
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Post by SarahLee on Apr 7, 2010 13:29:33 GMT -5
((broman)) the issue I have with her stupid ass is she interjects herself in a discussion, BUT doesn't address the topic being discussed. She is under the mistaken notion that She sets the agenda on this board. This isn't DRU,it isn't her MYSpace,and it isn't her facebook. She can on any of those forums discuss what she wants,or change the subject if she wishes. This is not her forum! If she doesn't want to comment on the topic we're discussing,then she should not post. Really she should not post period,because she is unwanted guest. I don't know why she is so hell bent on being seen over here anyways,her sham of a investigation is over. She gave up!All her "researching" and quoting newspaper articles and books have yeilded her ZERO!!!! And GOD knows nobody here is buying what she is trying to sell. So what is her point in posting here? Isn't it obvious to her that she is a joke,and is only addressed when we feel like insulting and mocking her? Nobody here respects her faked expertise or takes her assertions seriously. She wants to paint the comments made at the Palace as cynical,but she is met with the same reaction on every David Ruffin board she has parked her fat ass on. She is no more than a internet kook to all that have had the displeasure of reading her BS. She couldn't even generate enough interest on her own boring board to substain it.
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Post by debbie on Apr 11, 2010 10:41:19 GMT -5
I'm going to give my opinion for what it's worth because I've often wondered about this. I voted hell naw because I do believe DR would not steal Eddie or Dennis's money.. addict or no addict. Borrow it quite possibly. I find it hard to believe DR would turn that much money over to anyone unless they were well trusted. I spoke with BM once after DR's death so I am going by TT's accountings but it didn't sound like DR had much respect for him according to what Tony stated, thus I would find it hard to believe he handed it over to BM. I don't think DR would be afraid to carry the money with him or would find the need to put it somewhere for safe keeping. Obviously he was using and very well may have had a plan to make some more cash and was stalling, there is NO reason that money should not have been wired Monday.. folks saw DR and said he was in good shape during that week which indicates he was able to wire the money and carry on other business. If I was to make a supposition DR was stalling with the money because he was planning a drug deal. Borrowing so to speak...now that doesn't fall into my morals but I could see DR either spending to much or just having a "make money scheme" figuring he'd maybe give EK and DE a little bonus for their loan or maybe they knew who knows. Obviously because of DR's dealings anyone could have lifted the money and or drugs and certainly no one is going to be openly discussing it should the above have been a possible scenerio. As to if it contributed to DR's death I would not know. I am not drug savy but I did have the discussion with DR during treatment and I am pretty confident he would not knowingly do heroin and I thought a seasoned drug user would know if their drugs were laced however maybe not so I don't know. I do know I have heard heroin mentioned via a phone conversation and also heard no just cocaine. I have not seen an actual autopsy report so don't know if heroin is in fact mentioned or not in it. I do believe DR was in fact using. Like any addict DR could go without, also use and keep it well hidden for a while or just be totally out of control this see saw behavior I think was especially dangerous and made an overdose much more likely since his system was constantly in a state of shock. I think one thing we can bank on is that it will always remain a mystery.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Apr 11, 2010 14:54:30 GMT -5
Debbie I kind of agree with you but I have to take issue with Ruffin 'borrowing' the money. I don't believe he would outright steal from Eddie and Dennis either...but I do believe he dipped into their share. Maybe he did 'borrow' with the intention of replacing the money. I believe at the time of his demise he did not have ALL the money. Therefore your voting hell naw does not make sense to me. Either he dipped into the funds or he didn't. If I gave my crackhead cousin...who says she's clean... a fifty dollar bill... and told her to keep it until tomorrow...chances are that I would never see that money again. What makes Ruffin any different from any other addict? I truly want to know.
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Post by molly on Apr 12, 2010 10:57:06 GMT -5
So many great points have been made in this thread. My question is did Eddie and Dennis lend Ruffin their share of the money? Or did Ruffin "dip" into their money with intentions of replacing it?
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Post by debbie on Apr 12, 2010 17:35:46 GMT -5
Bee's I probably expressed that wrong and I agree with Molly also. I think DR dipped into their money definitely without their permission. I also think he didn't have all the money or he would have sent it... I think he was stalling not necessarily anyone stalling him. I'll bet EK and DE were both a whole lot worried with the stalling too. When I used lend I was more expressing what I thought DR's addict rationalization might have been. I'll just borrow it and they'll either be so happy they got it all back after I've worried them to death or I'll give them a bonus and they'll be thrilled. Of course they probably would want to throttle him either way but I just don't think he would not have done what it took to have their money for them eventually, at least I never heard of him stealing anyones money. What makes Ruffin different? He wasn't....I do believe he was not totally without conscience though....I guess the only thing different was Mr Ruffin could be an addict a whole lot easier then your garden variety because of his celebrity he could get away with more and people tolerated more of his bad behavior and made excuses for him or saw where they could profit from him in one way or another on a business level so they didn't make him accountable for his actions. When Tony cleaned up the mess he made at that hotel he refers to in his book his behind should have went to jail so he could think about it next time he thought about behaving that way. Accountability might have made DR wake up and straighten up. DR could turn on the charm and get away with far too much. He made more money in Terre Haute the 4 months he spent incarcerated then I think he ever did touring. He had fans and lady friends making deposits into his commissary acct. He had the guards bringing him baked goods and all kinds of stuff and spent the days in the green house reading or napping he had them all wrapped around his little finger.
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Post by Drex on Apr 28, 2010 19:47:13 GMT -5
Debbie, you have an insight to Mr. David and addiction. Do you believe that there is a possibility that Mr. David could have been double-crossed over a deal? The quote that Nowell made in the Philadelphia Inquirer about David placing $200 on a table and later Nowell is also quoted that he (Nowell) gave the money to the man (driver Donald Brown) who was with David stands out. A cop who was unidentified stated he thought David purchased the 10 vials of crack-cocaine somewhere else and brought it to Nowells. Then, why would David "slap" $200 on Nowell's table and why would Nowell give it to Brown? Why was Brown in hiding until Monday (48 hours later) after David died? Thoughts?
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Post by Drex on Jun 1, 2010 23:58:07 GMT -5
My standing offer-I will pay for APA board certified polygraph examinations. A journalist from the Philadelphia Inquirer promised to attend if the exams were administered. ONLY Ten questions. Same ten questions to anyone who was with David Ruffin from May 26th until he was dropped off at the HUOP. Nineteen years.
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Post by debbie on Jun 7, 2010 11:57:58 GMT -5
Drex, based upon the scenario you describe. If I were to write a possible story it would go like this. DR for what ever reason (using, to make big money, or numerous other possible explanations) was using everyone's money. I know nothing about drugs or cocaine but maybe DR bought cocaine somewhere else and was delivering it to the drug house (Nowell) they used or tested it before DR was to be paid. DR became ill or whatever scenario you care to insert. DR taken to the hospital. Drugs and money in DR's possession stolen. A crime of opportunity most likely. Brown no doubt hid out of fear or because he lifted some of the money or drugs.
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Post by Drex on Jul 12, 2010 21:55:57 GMT -5
It is about what is missing in the stories told in 1991. The answers are in those stories and inconsistenices.
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