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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 19, 2011 17:19:35 GMT -5
Tell me why you want to see a David Ruffin Unsung...in 50 wordds or less. ;D
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Post by Queenie on Jun 19, 2011 20:14:13 GMT -5
The truth about David without hearing it from vairous people such as O and Mary. I also want to hear from his children on what they think about the world still embracing David's music after his death.
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Post by rufferino on Jun 21, 2011 15:11:36 GMT -5
• David Ruffin was a major Motown star • His association with the Temptations triggered the group’s rise to super stardom • His stage presence was electrifying • His personality was complex • His personal life and professional life were intricately connected • His solo career was short- circuited just before he attained major success • He re-united with another major Motown star, Eddie Kendricks to further both singing careers • Their attempted comebacks were gaining momentum • His untimely death occurred just as his star was beginning to rise again late Iife • His death is shrouded in mystery and unanswered questions • His fans’ love and devotion remains unchanged • His voice and singing style influenced many of today’s pop stars in a major way • His work is continuously sampled by same • And last, but certainly not least, his voice was so beautiful that it simply deserves the recognition it did not fully receive during his lifetime
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 21, 2011 19:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by Brandy on Jun 22, 2011 0:34:05 GMT -5
• David Ruffin was a major Motown star • His association with the Temptations triggered the group’s rise to super stardom • His stage presence was electrifying • His personality was complex • His personal life and professional life were intricately connected • His solo career was short- circuited just before he attained major success • He re-united with another major Motown star, Eddie Kendricks to further both singing careers • Their attempted comebacks were gaining momentum • His untimely death occurred just as his star was beginning to rise again late Iife • His death is shrouded in mystery and unanswered questions • His fans’ love and devotion remains unchanged • His voice and singing style influenced many of today’s pop stars in a major way • His work is continuously sampled by same • And last, but certainly not least, his voice was so beautiful that it simply deserves the recognition it did not fully receive during his lifetime nuff said and we want to know the real deal not what they try to paint david out to be we want to hear it from people like his brother jimmy whoelse can tell us better than he can. David's story is long overdue and it needs to be told.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 22, 2011 17:16:12 GMT -5
going to sign the petition Those on FaceBook...post it to your wall. thanx
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Post by Ruffette on Jun 22, 2011 20:14:40 GMT -5
I use to want a DR Unsung, but I've sort of changed my mind because I don't think we will get an honest, fair portrayal of him.
Anyone who does a story on David will use Otis as the primary source. He will tell his old stories with a new, meaner spin to them as always. They may even bring Ms. 'Change My Name to His After He's Dead and Can't Kick My Behind for It' on for good measure.
I don't want people bad mouthing him because he's not here to defend himself. I wish he was here to tell his own story.
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Post by rufferino on Jun 22, 2011 23:31:29 GMT -5
Jimmy, Quincy? Do either of you hear this? We need David's story from YOU!! And also from Sandra.
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Common
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Post by Common on Jun 23, 2011 9:41:32 GMT -5
Hmmmm, I would have to think about having a DR unsung segment. The concern would be how the segment would be setup. Whose eyes will this be seen from and will Motown allow his music to be used? It doesn't make sense to have an 'unsung' and his music cannot be used. That's the same problem when allegedly, there was suppose to be a segment done on David on VH1 several years ago. I would really have to think about this......
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Post by rufferino on Jun 23, 2011 10:44:30 GMT -5
Common, I do understand your concern about the point of view from which the story would be told. The reason I'm suggesting this is that I thought they did a fairly balanced piece on Tammi Terrell, by including the interviews with her sister which pretty much set the record straight about David and the hammer, etc. The thing is, if we can at least show the Unsung producers that there is enough interest in this for them to explore the possibilities, we may be able to get the right parties interested also, who might have some creative control, i.e. family members. And then they (Unsung producers) can negotiate with Motown for David's music. If Motown thinks there is any kickback for them, they are likely to license it for this kind of use. Of course, I'm sure there are issues behind the scenes of which I'm unaware....we can only cross that bridge when we get to it. This is just a first step....and a thought that crossed my mind is wondering if the Unsung people would want a verifiable petition. (To show that it's not just a couple of people entering different names & cities,etc) Maybe Bees knows something about that part.
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Post by Common on Jun 23, 2011 22:11:37 GMT -5
Rufferino, I agree with you to an extent with the Unsung program.
Believe me, I know I sound anal (well, I am anal when it comes to details. lol) but here is my concern about the unsung program that came to my attention.
I think the unsung segments work better with entertainers whose lives ended tragically (Minnie Riperton, Phyllis Hyman, Donny Hathaway, Tammi Terrell) or entertainers who've had several hits and then just dropped off the face of the planet. And even in Donny's case, there were some elements that people said that was left out of the show. Basically, certain parts were left out as not to 'sensationalized' his segment.
For someone like David, it would have to be divided into two parts: The Temptations era and the solo era. Because Unsung has a time limit, it would be difficult to put everything in one segment. So basically, the story would be 'cut up' and the way it is edited plays a big part in how Ruffin will be portrayed.
I'll give another example of this: The Shalamar segment that was done a while back. Shalamar was a very popular group in the late 70s up to the mid 80s. Jody Watley, one of the original members, contested certain segments of the show so she created 10 youtube clips to set the record straight as to what was left out or how her comments were edited by the producers. I think this was done because this was the only way the late Dick Griffey would appear on the program without too much harsh 'criticism' from his former employees.
Don't get me wrong. I've been a champion of hoping that David can get onto 'Unsung' to get his story told. But I've had second thoughts after seeing various stories on certain entertainers that have been presented. In general, I think Unsung is a great program that pays tribute to the forgotten or often neglected soul/R&B acts from back in the day. However, I think that, depending on the subject, some subjects might require more than one segment. After all, to simply that David left the Tempts because of egotripping or what have you, is not the entire story as David also raised questioned about the type of money they were making. Would they be willing to address that part or leave that out because they don't want to rock the boat because they want certain Motown folks on the program.
I know this is a long winded response but I thought I'd expound on why I had reservations about this project.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 24, 2011 9:02:02 GMT -5
For those who have concerns about how Ruff will be portrayed...I think the petition can be edited to state that the story cannot be told thru the eyes of certain people. Of course it must be said in a nice way! ;D
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Post by rufferino on Jun 24, 2011 13:27:58 GMT -5
Common, thanks for those details and I really appreciate your response. It helps me understand the issues that would have to be addressed. You are absolutely correct IMO that one half-hour segment would not be sufficient to tell the whole story. There is no way to fit it all into 30 min and be fair about it. As you pointed out, editing is everything. I also wish that there would be a longer-form program with which to work, i.e. a book, full-length movie, etc. I was thinking of the Unsung show as a way to get a foot in the door, get the ball rolling with generating attention and showing that there is still a huge amount of interest in David, and that hopefully someone else would come along and do a complete expose. Having said that, it would be imperative that the family get together and present a unified message to the producers, that these things are firm and cannot be in the show (e.g. David-bashing) and that perhaps certain facts must absolutely be included in the show. They would need to really all get together, be on the same page, and be represented by an attorney. I understand from what I've read that this is a big order, as it is with any context where emotions run high. My other thought was that this show would not try to be a complete story but to focus on a certain aspect of David, and how that side or sides of him was expressed through the various stages of his life (i.e. Tempts, solo career, hiatus etc) and I believe could be done w/o diving too deeply into all the details of those phases of life. It's all in what questions you ask the interviewees, and then how they're edited together. I think it could be thought-provoking, if done skillfully, and as I mentioned open the door to new possibilites. Those who knew him best could make suggestions about what aspect(s) of David to focus on. I guess what's driving me now is - and not to be insensitive - but Quincy is in his 80's, and Jimmy in his 70's. How much more time is there to hear their side of David's life story? It would be a shame to lose the opportunity to hear from them, as the footage that is shot of their interviews could also be later used in something bigger. Is the Unsung platform up to the task? Shouldn't we at least find out?
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 25, 2011 19:49:03 GMT -5
Some folk don't want to find out. I think they would rather hold on to certain perceptions of Ruffin. I'm a risk taker and I say go for it. Ask for what you want in the petition and you just might get it...but as alsays no one has Ruffin's back.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Jun 29, 2011 20:19:29 GMT -5
bump
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