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Post by rufferino on Apr 1, 2012 10:30:18 GMT -5
The important thing now is to convince Unsung not to discard or record over the interviews with Sandra and girls, if it's not too late already. The recordings can be used in the future for another production. When I called Unsung before the cablecast, they said they had received more calls and interest in the David Ruffin episode than in any other Unsung episode to date. Somebody out there with means and connections - get ahold of those recordings!
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Post by rufferino on Apr 1, 2012 11:01:14 GMT -5
BTW - does anybody know anything about that picture of David standing with the two lions that Common put with the last interview segment on youtube? Where was that picture taken and any details...
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Post by Queenie on Apr 1, 2012 13:46:36 GMT -5
Common's comments [/color] Sorry if I offended you by laughing at Common's comments; but, mother and son are funny. This is the reason why the entertainers do not like giving interviews because they can not control the end product. For those of you who don't consider Sandra and daughters 'entertainers', I just wanted to make a statement of how someone' words can be edit without that person knowing. DER Unsung - the first thirty minutes should have been allocated to Sandra. The last thirty minutes to the children. Gena's, O's, and the manager's comments should have been deleted.
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Post by Brandy on Apr 1, 2012 22:13:57 GMT -5
Common thanks for posting the interviews I'm listening now it's great to hear the truth from his family. glad they shed some positive light on David I'm enjoying this.
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Post by Common on Apr 2, 2012 18:39:13 GMT -5
Queenie: Now when I read my comments, they are quite amusing. Especially, jr auditioning for a tv show! Here it was, I thought that he had matured and was becoming serious with his life since 50 is just around the corner for him. Guess I was wrong! I guess a leopard can’t change its spots. Honestly, I don’t know how David’s daughters can continue to call him ‘brother’ after this latest stunt he pulled. Nor, can I understand how one can continue to dog their father out on national tv and still say ‘you love him’. Hell, I’m sure we all have parents that have done wrong things but we certainly wouldn’t dog them out, especially, since they are no longer alive to defend themselves. Jr needs to rethink his strategy. Words are very powerful and all he did was add fuel to the fire with that ‘blood to beat’ stories nonsense. Now, he’s portrayed his father as a child abuser. Not very smart.
Rufferino: I think there was a talk of a book. Seeing that the DR episode of Unsung was the most requested, a book would be something that people would be interested in. As for the picture, have no clue about that.
Brandy: David's ex and his daughters need to speak up and out more often. I don't know why they don't have a facebook page. That would be a sure fire way to talk to their father's fans.
Good to see everyone is enjoying the audio clips. I hope there will be more interviews with the family. Oh I forgot to mention. Ms. Sandra (or was it Nedra?) brought up the fact that David always read the bible every morning , at least, when they were married.
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Post by mellow on Apr 3, 2012 3:30:04 GMT -5
Common - thanks for posting the interview with David Washington. It was great to listen to and to get more insight into DR. I'm sure there were many facets to DR - the family portrayed him as kind, generous, loving his family which is what I want to hear - I don't want to hear the negatives about him - goodness, we've heard it enough to know that there is more to DR - and thankfully David Washington is aware of that too and in his way he's trying to put things right. I thought David Washington was a good interviewer in that that he didn't make judgements about DR - other than him being great! lol - and opened up the questions and let the Ruffin family speak for themselves. I wonder if David Washington arranged for this programme as he too felt the Unsung programme was all about the same and he knows there's a side to DR that needs to be spoken about and isn't. Sandra came across as being extremely easy going and accepted DR as the person he was. Maybe DR didn't realise what a gem he had married! I think the family can definitely hold their heads high. It's a shame DR isn't here to see how much he is still loved by fans - old and new. He's definitely here spiritually. And here we are 50 years after the first record DR released still talking about what a fantastic singer/entertainer he is/was. This can't and won't be said about many singers in today's music industry. Rufferino - that picture is in the booklet that goes with The Great David Ruffin volume 2 album - not the best pic of him!
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Post by rufferino on Apr 3, 2012 19:54:27 GMT -5
Oh Mellow I don't agree! I think it's a GREAT pic of him because he looks so happy, confident, triumphant! Like he's the king lion! Thank you for telling me where to find it; maybe the booklet will give some clue about the circumstances. It's not every day that one can just get their picture taken with a couple of live lions.
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Post by Brandy on Apr 3, 2012 22:01:56 GMT -5
Queenie: Now when I read my comments, they are quite amusing. Especially, jr auditioning for a tv show! Here it was, I thought that he had matured and was becoming serious with his life since 50 is just around the corner for him. Guess I was wrong! I guess a leopard can’t change its spots. Honestly, I don’t know how David’s daughters can continue to call him ‘brother’ after this latest stunt he pulled. Nor, can I understand how one can continue to dog their father out on national tv and still say ‘you love him’. Hell, I’m sure we all have parents that have done wrong things but we certainly wouldn’t dog them out, especially, since they are no longer alive to defend themselves. Jr needs to rethink his strategy. Words are very powerful and all he did was add fuel to the fire with that ‘blood to beat’ stories nonsense. Now, he’s portrayed his father as a child abuser. Not very smart. Rufferino: I think there was a talk of a book. Seeing that the DR episode of Unsung was the most requested, a book would be something that people would be interested in. As for the picture, have no clue about that. Brandy: David's ex and his daughters need to speak up and out more often. I don't know why they don't have a facebook page. That would be a sure fire way to talk to their father's fans. Good to see everyone is enjoying the audio clips. I hope there will be more interviews with the family. Oh I forgot to mention. Ms. Sandra (or was it Nedra?) brought up the fact that David always read the bible every morning , at least, when they were married. common I agree somebody need to let the family know about that idea but I wonder if any of them have a facebook page already
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Post by Springtime on Apr 4, 2012 21:46:09 GMT -5
Queenie: Now when I read my comments, they are quite amusing. Especially, jr auditioning for a tv show! Here it was, I thought that he had matured and was becoming serious with his life since 50 is just around the corner for him. Guess I was wrong! I guess a leopard can’t change its spots. Honestly, I don’t know how David’s daughters can continue to call him ‘brother’ after this latest stunt he pulled. Nor, can I understand how one can continue to dog their father out on national tv and still say ‘you love him’. Hell, I’m sure we all have parents that have done wrong things but we certainly wouldn’t dog them out, especially, since they are no longer alive to defend themselves. Jr needs to rethink his strategy. Words are very powerful and all he did was add fuel to the fire with that ‘blood to beat’ stories nonsense. Now, he’s portrayed his father as a child abuser. Not very smart. Rufferino: I think there was a talk of a book. Seeing that the DR episode of Unsung was the most requested, a book would be something that people would be interested in. As for the picture, have no clue about that. Brandy: David's ex and his daughters need to speak up and out more often. I don't know why they don't have a facebook page. That would be a sure fire way to talk to their father's fans. Good to see everyone is enjoying the audio clips. I hope there will be more interviews with the family. Oh I forgot to mention. Ms. Sandra (or was it Nedra?) brought up the fact that David always read the bible every morning , at least, when they were married. common I agree somebody need to let the family know about that idea but I wonder if any of them have a facebook page already Brandy I think this is Nedra Ruffins Facebook page. Gina Ruffin Moore has a Facebook page to. www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001068192383&sk=photos
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Post by ruffan7 on Apr 4, 2012 22:33:54 GMT -5
Love To All,
All of DR, Daughters have facebook pages, however they, seldom, network. Cheryl has written a book. The release date is unknown.
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Post by Brandy on Apr 5, 2012 21:37:29 GMT -5
Thanks springtime for the link and ruffan for the info
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Post by Common on Apr 8, 2012 16:04:46 GMT -5
Common - thanks for posting the interview with David Washington. It was great to listen to and to get more insight into DR. I'm sure there were many facets to DR - the family portrayed him as kind, generous, loving his family which is what I want to hear - I don't want to hear the negatives about him - goodness, we've heard it enough to know that there is more to DR - and thankfully David Washington is aware of that too and in his way he's trying to put things right. I thought David Washington was a good interviewer in that that he didn't make judgements about DR - other than him being great! lol - and opened up the questions and let the Ruffin family speak for themselves. I wonder if David Washington arranged for this programme as he too felt the Unsung programme was all about the same and he knows there's a side to DR that needs to be spoken about and isn't. Sandra came across as being extremely easy going and accepted DR as the person he was. Maybe DR didn't realise what a gem he had married! I think the family can definitely hold their heads high. It's a shame DR isn't here to see how much he is still loved by fans - old and new. He's definitely here spiritually. And here we are 50 years after the first record DR released still talking about what a fantastic singer/entertainer he is/was. This can't and won't be said about many singers in today's music industry. Rufferino - that picture is in the booklet that goes with The Great David Ruffin volume 2 album - not the best pic of him! Mellow, you're quite welcome. Sorry for the late reponse. David Washington apparently knew David from back in the 70s. I'm not sure what capacity of the music industry Mr. Washington was in at the time, but he had known David during his solo stint. I think David was the type of 'hands on' celebrity where he was approachable. He lived in and outside of Detroit and he seemed to like people. I don't if because he was sociable, some people took that to be a form of arrogance or ego. It's weird how people perceive things but I'm glad that the family is finally speaking up on his behalf. People keep forgetting that David is not here to defend himself and that when he was alive, he probably wanted to keep some parts of his life private. Unfortunately, that may have been to his detriment. I think Ms. Sandra has been through alot and I find it ironic that she and David still maintained a relationship despite all the drama that he put her through. She's still speaks fondly of him speaks volumes about her character. This is slightly off topic but I was reading online about Patti Boyd, the muse who was married to Beatles' George Harrison and to guitarist Eric Clapton. Apparently, her life with both of these men was 'unconventional' to say the least. Her marriage to Clapton was the worse, being he was on heroin and an alcoholic and extremely abusive to Boyd. Yet, people seem to forgive his personal 'vices' and revere him for his musicianship. I can't understand why Ruffin is not afforded the same courtesy. Ever time I read about people 'not forgiving what he did to Tammi Terrell', I wonder if these people live pristine and sinless lives where they have no demons of their own. Human nature can be very unpredictable sometimes.
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Post by Common on Apr 8, 2012 16:06:38 GMT -5
Spring time and Ruffan7, thank you both for the information. It is appreciated. I hope that Cheryl will be able to get a publisher for her book.
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Post by debbie on Apr 8, 2012 19:05:08 GMT -5
[quote author=mellow board=ruffin thread=5774 post=70884 time= I think David was the type of 'hands on' celebrity where he was approachable. He lived in and outside of Detroit and he seemed to like people. I don't if because he was sociable, some people took that to be a form of arrogance or ego. It's weird how people perceive things but I'm glad that the family is finally speaking up on his behalf. People keep forgetting that David is not here to defend himself and that when he was alive, he probably wanted to keep some parts of his life private. Unfortunately, that may have been to his detriment. I think Ms. Sandra has been through alot and I find it ironic that she and David still maintained a relationship despite all the drama that he put her through. She's still speaks fondly of him speaks volumes about her character. What Common writes above is very true. I think one needs to remember that due to an addiction and many other factors David put both family and friends through a lot but most of all he put himself through even more. Because of that, it was not hard to forgive David he hurt himself far more then he hurt others and he suffered for it the most. David Jr loved and loves his father however what he states on unsung is the truth and can be verified by court records. How was David suppose to have good parenting skills when he had no roll model? Does this make him a monster? of course not. He was a man that suffered from an addiction and those that were close to him also suffered as a result. To try to make anyone that was in his life the villian is wrong and I don't think David would approve and I think would be setting the record straight if he were here today. David never denied the truth although not always did he practice it in his relationships with women but I don't think he would fault Jr in anything he said. He never claimed to be perfect. I rememebr him saying to me once " I'm a whole lot better now then I use to be." Everyone close to David and those that loved him tried to help and get through to him and prevent the tragedy that eventually befalled him. Many times David also tried without support or success but he did try. I fondly remember a time in a picture toward the end of the episode of Christmas eve with the girls and Clifford his grandson on his lap. A time when David was just being himself with his children and grandchildren, a time when David was not on drugs nor was he performing, a time of love, holidays shared with family and friends, a time when David could be the man he really was. I think Jr sums it up well when he states his father needed love but got fame. However, love could not heal him because he was not lacking love from his children, family or true friends. When David was good he was very very good there was not a kinder or more considerate man on this earth and when he was bad he was very bad but most of all he was human with all the frailities and faults that come with just being a common man. TV one is a professional network they did not let Jr edit their show to even state that is preposterous. This was their project and how they chose to present it. I felt it was well done maybe not perfect but balanced for what they were trying to do. David's whole story is not going to be told in one show and David had many sides and many people saw different sides of this man so their stories and opinions may differ greatly. It does not make anyone less then honest it's just that many have differing memories and truths regarding our David and not always did David let others see who he was and I am not so sure he knew himself. What I do know is he touched many in a positive way as much as he did in a negative way. His presence on this earth was a blessing.
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Post by rufferino on Apr 8, 2012 19:14:14 GMT -5
Thank you, Debbie. What you wrote feels much closer to the way I feel about the whole Unsung episode, and everyone involved with it - and David, even though I did not know him when he was alive. I only wish David loved himself as much as everyone else loved him.
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