Common
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Post by Common on Apr 8, 2012 21:06:57 GMT -5
[quote author=mellow board=ruffin thread=5774 post=70884 time= I think David was the type of 'hands on' celebrity where he was approachable. He lived in and outside of Detroit and he seemed to like people. I don't if because he was sociable, some people took that to be a form of arrogance or ego. It's weird how people perceive things but I'm glad that the family is finally speaking up on his behalf. People keep forgetting that David is not here to defend himself and that when he was alive, he probably wanted to keep some parts of his life private. Unfortunately, that may have been to his detriment. I think Ms. Sandra has been through alot and I find it ironic that she and David still maintained a relationship despite all the drama that he put her through. She's still speaks fondly of him speaks volumes about her character. What Common writes above is very true. I think one needs to remember that due to an addiction and many other factors David put both family and friends through a lot but most of all he put himself through even more. Because of that, it was not hard to forgive David he hurt himself far more then he hurt others and he suffered for it the most. David Jr loved and loves his father however what he states on unsung is the truth and can be verified by court records. How was David suppose to have good parenting skills when he had no roll model? Does this make him a monster? of course not. He was a man that suffered from an addiction and those that were close to him also suffered as a result. To try to make anyone that was in his life the villian is wrong and I don't think David would approve and I think would be setting the record straight if he were here today. David never denied the truth although not always did he practice it in his relationships with women but I don't think he would fault Jr in anything he said. He never claimed to be perfect. I rememebr him saying to me once " I'm a whole lot better now then I use to be." Everyone close to David and those that loved him tried to help and get through to him and prevent the tragedy that eventually befalled him. Many times David also tried without support or success but he did try. I fondly remember a time in a picture toward the end of the episode of Christmas eve with the girls and Clifford his grandson on his lap. A time when David was just being himself with his children and grandchildren, a time when David was not on drugs nor was he performing, a time of love, holidays shared with family and friends, a time when David could be the man he really was. I think Jr sums it up well when he states his father needed love but got fame. However, love could not heal him because he was not lacking love from his children, family or true friends. When David was good he was very very good there was not a kinder or more considerate man on this earth and when he was bad he was very bad but most of all he was human with all the frailities and faults that come with just being a common man. TV one is a professional network they did not let Jr edit their show to even state that is preposterous. This was their project and how they chose to present it. I felt it was well done maybe not perfect but balanced for what they were trying to do. David's whole story is not going to be told in one show and David had many sides and many people saw different sides of this man so their stories and opinions may differ greatly. It does not make anyone less then honest it's just that many have differing memories and truths regarding our David and not always did David let others see who he was and I am not so sure he knew himself. What I do know is he touched many in a positive way as much as he did in a negative way. His presence on this earth was a blessing. Debbie, thank you for your response. It is much appreciated. What I'm about to say I know I'm not in a place to say since I'm just a 'admirer' of David's' music however, I have to disagree with something you stated about the Unsung piece. There has been so many negative things written and stated about Ruffin that there never seems to be any balance about him as a person, never mind as an entertainer. I was one of those 'fans' who was ambivalent about the Unsung piece because I feared it would a re-hash of what had been stated about Ruffin. And of course it was. I was very dismayed that David's daughters did not get equal time as jr. Why was jr and his mother, who stated herself she was never married to Ruffin, given all of that airtime? I did not think that was right at all. The issue about jr editing the Unsung piece was stated by Ms. Sandra on a live radio broadcast. Maybe that's something you need to be taken up with her since she made that statement. David's daughters stated on the live broadcast they never heard of Jr's allegations against their father so again, that is something to take up with his daughters. They didn't have those 'beat to blood' stories and that should have been in the broadcast. Better yet, that's an issue between siblings that the public should not be privy to. However it's hard for things to remain 'private' when accusing your father of abuse is made public. Which brings me to something that David Washington stated on his broadcast about perception: once the public gets something negative about an entertainer in their mind, it sticks. He is right about that. After 40 years, people still believe the rumor that Ruffin hit Tammi Terrell in the head with a hammer. I believe what you say about David had his positives as well as his frailties. But the positives are the ones that barely get talked about and folks instead focus on his demons. It didn't help with Jr's 'beat to blood' statements because now, it presents Ruffin as a child abuser. Of course, Ruffin probably didn't have a great role model for parenting but I don't think Ruffin's case was isolated either, as demonstrated by the late Michael Jackson. Today, we call it child abuse but back then it was 'spare the rod, spoil the child'. Was it extreme form of discipline? Of course it was but parents were only doing what they were taught. I don't agree with the methods of discipline but unfortunately, that's the way it was at the time. Honestly, I really didn't care for the Unsung program and all it did was re-enforce the idea that besides Ruffin's talent, which was touched on to my dismay, he was an extremely violent junkie (sorry for the harshness but that's what I've read on a couple of other boards). I still don't understand why either of David's surviving brothers were not featured on the program. If anyone knew their baby brother growing up, it was them. I've seen mostly all of Unsung's programs and it seems their earlier stories from a couple of years ago were more balanced and not as sensational as their later programs have become.
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debbie
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Post by debbie on Apr 9, 2012 0:38:05 GMT -5
"I only wish David loved himself as much as everyone else loved him." So do I Rufferino. We would have a whole different story today. Common I do think time constraints were a factor in the unsung episode and I do think the girls did as a collective unit get equal time. I think due to Jr being Jr and also being accessable in LA they probably spent more time with him. Obviously they are looking for ratings and the Genna/Sandra/ Tammy/ women/drugs and intrigue is part of the story and gets told over and over and I would think both Sandra and Genna are tired of it they were both victims not willing participants. It is a sad story both for them and the children to keep being brought up as though it was a competition and I blame David not either woman. I have not heard Sandra's radio interview or the girls and I would not take up anything with Sandra as she has my respect. I am not sure where she got that information and she may very well believe it to be true but it does not make sense. I always found Sandra to be a very kind and friendly woman and certainly not a liar but as I said everyone has their own memories and thoughts and also most that care about David want to protect his memories and time changes how we may have perceived a situation or our memories regarding it. David when doing drugs could be violent toward his family and yes maybe that is something that should be private but as I said it is public knowledge and there are court records and Sr always said any publicity is good publicity it's when they stop talking about you that you need to worry . I witnessed David's treatment of Jr so he is not telling lies. I think saying he told a fib or two as a child to discredit his life stories is sad. Children with abusive parents learn to deny things as a protection skill. Sadly abuse is something he suffered because of his fathers addiction and he is honest about it. If others choose not to be that is their choice however it does not make it any less true. Common you are right it is the spare the rod spoil the child mentality of a time past and thankfully so. It is also what David Sr suffered, actually worse, and what he learned and hopefully the cycle can be broken. I ended up out on the reunion tour because David asked me to bring Jr out to meet him in Washington. I also witnessed a loving father sharing special moments with his son. The drugs created the demons as they usually do. It was my understanding that Davids brothers declined being involved. Quincy always has been private and I can only guess but Jimmy probably does not want to keep regurgitating the same story over and over. Plus he is a talent in his own right that I think was a bit disapproving of his brothers antics and reputation. I found Jimmy to be an intelligent man and a class act and the polar opposite of David. He deserves his own recognition. I would not classify David as an extremely violent junkie he suffered an addiction that caused some psycological issues later in his addiction as Nedra mentions in the episode. David was not always doing drugs and I think some of what others percieved as ego or such was David's dry humor or just his lack of education or comfort in dealing with a situation. I can testify many times when DR was accused of not showing up due to drugs it was in fact due to money and an angry DR not a high one. But a David doing drugs was a very self distructive one. Unfortunately a nice David is not what gets TV ratings. No one want to hear how he went and stayed with my 70+ yr old mother (who could be quite difficult) and nursed her through recovering from surgery and cooked for her and cared for her because he was that kind of a caring and gentle soul when not using as it's not a very glamourous or star like picture. Many have stories of Sr doing generous and kind deeds but those stories rarely get told. Most don't care to hear about the man, they want the celebrity with all the glitter and stardom. When out of the spotlight he was like anyone else and that isn't all that exciting or news worthy. I am very much involved in animal rescue at this time and that is both because my love of animals but also because of David rescuing my first dobe which started me down that path. David purchased and brought two young boys out to the farm once. He bought them from their mother in a crack house. He did so to assure their safety. So even in the midst of his addictions he still had a heart.
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ruffan7
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Post by ruffan7 on Apr 9, 2012 4:32:45 GMT -5
I did not like the "Unsung" episode. I agree with Common and so many others, Mrs. Ruffin and their daughters, was not giving the time that Genna and David Jr. was giving. Genna and David were acting and fabricating. I have NO sympathy for Genna, she chose to be with DR. David Jr. is caught up in her drama as her protector. However, that is no reason to defame his Father.
I want to see DR, in his truth. A talented entertainer, father and husband to Mrs. Sandra Ruffin and their daughters with out the extra drama of the women and drugs. Duality is a nature commodity.
His legacy, honors him, as someone stated that after 50 years, he is still celebrated as " The Voice". We all are connected to the legs. Legs hold things up. He lifted the souls of millions, every minute his voice is heard, somewhere in the universe.
The "Truth Movement" is the next currency , whatever is hidden will be manifested. No one or thing can with hold the mandate, of destiny. DR, loved himself, and to think different is an understatement. To stand and perform so masterfully, to sing from your soul and heart, to sooth the minds with love Ballads, to make music was his assignment that danced on the stage of life.
I ask myself, am I "True" to my "ASSIGNMENT"?
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Post by guest on Apr 9, 2012 10:44:50 GMT -5
Debbie , How could you comment on what was said when you did not even bother to listen to the radio interview? I read your posts and would like to ask are suggesting Sandra Ruffin and her daughters are not telling the truth? What do Sandra and her daughters gain by being 'untruthful’? I do have some questions I would like to ask and would kindly request that you answer them without being evasive.
Both Sandra Ruffin and her daughters said that David was not abusive to them and you are saying that he was violent to his family. So which one is it? Was he violent to Sandra and the girls or to only Jr. and his mother and how would you know this? Sandra and his daughters also said that David did not abuse Jr. and there was no court record of this child abuse allegation. Are you saying they were misinformed or are you calling them ‘untruthful’? What exactly does this court document show and where can I find a copy of this document? How often were you around David, Sandra and his daughters and/or Genna and Jr. to be able to know whether he abused his family or not? David’s ex-wife, daughters and sister-in-law said that Jr. was bad and received beatings because of this bad behavior. Are you disputing what they have said? If so, then why? You also claimed in one of your posts that you watched Sr. mistreat Jr., if that is really true, then did you intervene and try to reason with David to stop or did you just standby and watch David continue the 'abuse'? Also, would you please define ‘mistreatment’ so I can get some perspective on this child abuse issue? Why would you want to stay with a man who abuses his own child?
Since you put your knowledge about David out here in the public domain, I would like to know how did David treat you? Was he ever violent to you? If so, why did you stay with him? If you chose to stay, then why would you knowingly decide to stay with someone who was not only violent man,but a drug addicted one too? Did you stay because you really loved him, because he was a celebrity, were trying to save him from himself or were you addcited to drugs too? What did the two of you actually have in common to keep you with someone who as violent and drug addicted as you claim David was? What exactly where you getting out of this relationship?
Perhaps I missed your interview, but I don’t recall seeing you on the Unsung show. Were you even asked to participate and if so, did you decline and if so why, or were your comments edited out too? If TV-1 did not ask you for an interview, then why would the show overlook you if you know so much about David Ruffin?
David Ruffin’s daughters have every right to continue his legacy in the manner in which they see fit. He is their father and what I don't understand what gives you the right to dispute what they say about him or how they feel about him?
If you have an issue with what Sandra Ruffin and her daughters said during the radio broadcast, then why did you not call in to the radio show to challenge them? Why are you disputing them on a public message?
David Ruffin knew Sandra since 1961, when did you meet him?
She was there in the beginning and her story is relevant and very important. I am glad she and her children are finally telling their story. Who are you to dismiss what she and her children have to say after all Sandra was legally married to the man and his daughters did live with him.
Whoever you are, I don’t think you will ever approach Sandra Ruffin about anything concerning her ex-husband, their children and the relationship she had with David.
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Post by rufferino on Apr 9, 2012 20:52:08 GMT -5
Common, Ruffan7, others who are complaining about Unsung - I think we all realized ahead of time that Unsung was going to do a "sensational" show for the ratings....so it's kinda pointless to continue complaining now. This is something I posted in the "Unsung clips preview" thread: "From what I've seen of the clips so far, it looks like Unsung is staying true to show format - include just enough "juice" to hook in the viewer, keep it engaging, but not really expose anything of real substance. The show is designed to keep the viewer wanting more. I don't think it's designed to provide true insight, as an in-depth, well-balanced biographical documentary might do. So I will just prime myself to be entertained, mildly surprised by some new "bits" of information, and leave it at that. Maybe the show will revive interest in David, so that another producer can come along and do something else.....who knows?"
In that same thread, dc posted the following: "I agree with City and Common. This David story is deeper than what's gonna be talked about on Unsung. We need a 2 hour ( no commercials) show on HBO or something. And we need everybody to be 100% honest.
For boxing fans, two years ago HBO made a documentary (about 2 hours long) that was uncut called the Thrilla in Manilla. It broke down what the real bad blood was between Smokin Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali. They told the 100% truth. I was shocked at some of the clips I saw. I don't even wanna speak on it on here, but it's a must see even if you are not a boxing fan. They had people that were there, as well as video clips for proof. And they didn't want you to necessarily pick a side. They gave the facts and let the viewer make their own decision.
We need something along these lines for David to get the truth. I know before he passed they were negotiating a book deal for David. Had he written his book maybe we would of gotten more truth."
I'm a man by the way ;D
So folks, it's about the ratings, it's about the ratings, it's about the ratings- as Debbie said. I do think an interesting story could be done about the "real" David that Debbie talks about. I believe her when she says she and David were friends, and it absolutely warms my heart to hear that David took care of her mother after surgery! Folks, I have drug addiction in my family too, and I'm telling you from personal experience that Debbie is absolutely correct in her description of David. David had, by his own admission, and by Genna's description, a "split" personality to start with, which in my own humble opinion probably came about as a result of the abuse he suffered as a child. (I have studied this a little bit). People who have suffered this more often than not, turn to drugs, alcohol, fame, whatever - to block out the pain. But it never really works, and sooner or later they have to face what's causing the addiction. As Jr said in the Unsung piece, DR tried to face it, but it was overwhelming......and I know that is absolutely true. I just feel it in my heart and soul. I think that Debbie has offered us a very compassionate and personal look into another side of David, (which I happen to think would contribute toward a very interesting documentary) and I for one, offer my thanks and gratitude. She did not have to share something so personal, but I believe she did so to try to provide more light and perception into the complex character of David Ruffin. I do not believe she is calling Sandra & daughters a liar. I agree that everyone who knew David knew him in their own way, and probably knew different sides of David, as well as some in common with each other. Let us have compassion for all involved.
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Common
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Post by Common on Apr 9, 2012 21:29:32 GMT -5
Rufferino, not for nothing but your post comes across as if you are trying to tell me 'shut up' and stop complaining because somebody might not like what I'm saying. I don't tell people what they can or can't say and I don't appreciate anybody telling me what I can or can't talk about. Debbie posted to me and I responded to her. I will continue to do so when I'm ready. I've had a long day at work and I'm tired. If I feel like complaining about the Unsung episode I will do so until the cows come home. I don't appreciate being attacked like that since I did not attack anybody in this thread! That being said: I, too, have people in my family that has been through addiction. So I know what Debbie is speaking about. I'm not naive or delusional not to know that addiction can mentally and physically change a person. We have discussed this issue at length on this board so I'm very familiar with drug abuse issues. I'm a compassionate to people who I feel are honest and deserving of it. I have been compassionate too many times only to get kicked in the ass. I realize that people just like to play on other people's emotions because they simply want to take advantage of you. I have great compassion for Ms. Sandra and her daughters because in the end, they have suffered the most. I stated before what I felt about Jr.'s situation but I feel no compassion for his mother. That went out the window along time ago. Now I'm off to beddy bye and I'll continue this at a later time.
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Post by rufferino on Apr 9, 2012 21:58:01 GMT -5
Common, I apologize, I was responding (and reacting) really more to what "guest" posted than to what you posted, and got confused about who posted what...I'm tired too. I still do think you may have some unrealistic expectations from Unsung and shows like that...they're not interested in balancing the scales of justice about unfair treatment to Sandra & daughters, for example. Providing equal air time is not what they are about. They have to tell a story.....in about 36 minutes, and that's it. They just have to get through all the main points, and they use whoever's sound bites advance the story line....and sometimes we get some interesting bits along the way. I worked in television for 15 years, so I guess I'm reacting from that viewpoint as well. I wasn't attacking anybody. I just wish that people would stop attacking the people who were in David's life. What happened happened. I would hope that there is a producer out there somewhere who could provide a sensitive, in-depth story about ALL the players in the story, so that all of us could actually learn something, improve our own lives, and maybe David's life and death would then have helped others. We all benefit from David's lovely voice and music, and we all talk about his personal life. He was a public figure, so his personal life was in the spotlight. My hope for justice is for deeper understanding of what happened to him, and why he treated others the way he did, and why others responded to the situation the way they did......that we may all learn, and hopefully, find some peace.
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Common
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Post by Common on Apr 10, 2012 10:38:16 GMT -5
Rufferino, I'm not 'unrealistic' in terms of what I expected of the Unsung program. I also know about time constraints and that everything cannot be featured. However, that does not change my mind about how the segment was structured around two to three people. I'm entitled to that opinion as much as you are entitled to say that you don't think it's fair that the people in David's life (whoever you are referring to) being attacked.
People chose to put themselves out there to tell their 'story' and there is no control over how people are going to react. This is why I said what I said about David Washington's statement: once you put something out there, it will stick. And if the people in David's life are serious about preserving his legacy, then perhaps they should also think about what they are projecting out to the world when they speak. I would think for people who claim to love and care for him, would not try to destroy his legacy that he worked hard to build. That was what David Washington's point was about. Don't take it out on the public because their reaction may not be favorable because of something *you* chose to put out there.
The point is that there is already so many negative things being stated about David so why add fuel to the fire? There are just some things that are not for public consumption. You can't have it both ways. You and I are saying the same thing about having people saying positive things and that means that those who DO want to say those things, be given the opportunity to do so. As I stated before, I have seen mostly all of the other Unsung episodes, and as much scandal as some of those entertainers had, it was balanced between the music and the backstage drama. So while I know there is a quest for ratings on Unsung, it is possible that there can be balanced content. The public just has to demand it.
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ruffan7
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Post by ruffan7 on Apr 10, 2012 23:49:09 GMT -5
Rufferino,
Ruffan7, others who are complaining about Unsung.
I was not complaining about Unsung, I was expressing my opinion as you were. You can express you views and uphold, the assignation of The real The Ruffin Family is baffling to me.
The women and David Jr. are all auditioning for a place in the front row of DR, life. the reserve sign is in place, and cannot be remove.
If you read my message I did not, attack anyone. I stated the facts. I post another message concerning Genna, her new insight about DR. I knew she was not sincere, call me, Madam Ruffan7, I predicted that before the episode aired she would, visited as many message boards with her sob story, trying to get sympathy as the forgiving and God fearing saint. On March 1, 2012 her and David J is on other sites celebrating as if that had won an Oscar for best actor and actress. On another site, she disrespect Lynette, (Cheryl Ruffin), by tell her DR, intimacy with her. David Jr., tell Cheryl, it hurt me to see your tear up and cry thank you for the love to dad. They are bullies.
So Mr. Defender. I do not care about who was in DR life. I want the truth to manifest.
The reason "The Real Ruffin Family", did not see DR addiction and abuse, he protected, and respected his family and did not want his flaws to be present. He would rather, "Walk Away For Love" to ensure that no harm came to them.
I, was married to a man of statue, he was an addict, he was not an abuser. There was never a time that he was other than the loving and caring man I knew and married. Now that we are divorce he will talk about his addiction.
Having trials and tribulation, does not imply that you do not love yourself, if that is accurate than we all have lost the attribute of self-love.
The Authentic David Eli Ruffin Sr., Story, will be televised and written.
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Post by BeesNVMe on Apr 11, 2012 20:54:41 GMT -5
It just seems to me that the legal heirs are always given the backseat to the common law. I just don't get how they always get top billing so to speak. It was the same thing with The Mississippi Hall of Fame. When the common law wife found out about the award she planned on attending without notifying the legal heirs...but the just happened to find out about it and attended the ceremony and accepted the award. It always seems that the common laws are always on hand to lay claim to the Ruffin name any wat they can. I wonder if they ever tried any other means to make a living??? It might be more profitable for them if they carved out an identity for themselves other than peddling the Ruffin name. I listened to the radio interview and Sandra and the girls stated that Ruffin never beat them. Even if they were lying(which I don't believe they were) ...they still have a right to have a say on their father's legacy and how they want him to be perceived. But I have learned that people believe what they want to believe. An intelligent person would probably wonder that it must be more to Ruffin than all these negative stories. Only a fool would judge him by all the sordid stories. I don't make it a habit of arguing with people about it because it is futile. They may speak negatively about him but one thing is for damned sure...you can't deny his talent and the beauty of his voice. That is truly and art and will last til the end of time. Some things just cannot be taken from you no matter how negatively you are spoken of...and Ruffin knew it too!
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Post by Springtime on Apr 11, 2012 22:46:08 GMT -5
It just seems to me that the legal heirs are always given the backseat to the common law. I just don't get how they always get top billing so to speak. It was the same thing with The Mississippi Hall of Fame. When the common law wife found out about the award she planned on attending without notifying the legal heirs...but the just happened to find out about it and attended the ceremony and accepted the award. It always seems that the common laws are always on hand to lay claim to the Ruffin name any wat they can. I wonder if they ever tried any other means to make a living??? It might be more profitable for them if they carved out an identity for themselves other than peddling the Ruffin name. I listened to the radio interview and Sandra and the girls stated that Ruffin never beat them. Even if they were lying(which I don't believe they were) ...they still have a right to have a say on their father's legacy and how they want him to be perceived. But I have learned that people believe what they want to believe. An intelligent person would probably wonder that it must be more to Ruffin than all these negative stories. Only a fool would judge him by all the sordid stories. I don't make it a habit of arguing with people about it because it is futile. They may speak negatively about him but one thing is for damned sure...you can't deny his talent and the beauty of his voice. That is truly and art and will last til the end of time. Some things just cannot be taken from you no matter how negatively you are spoken of...and Ruffin knew it too! I agree with you Bees, I just wish Gena would let David rest in peace.
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Post by citystars on Apr 12, 2012 12:48:14 GMT -5
I listened to the interview and really enjoyed listening to the Ruffin family speak.
Bees, Common, Ruffan7, I agree with you.
Rufferino regarding Unsung, I also did not care for the segment. I would have preferred to hear more stories from David's daughters, his ex-wife, his siblings and David's true friends. Although I did not and do not agree with the way in which Jr. depicted his father, I appreciated hearing him speak about his father.
I am not even going to comment on Jrs's mother because I don't think her unfortunate comments warrant a response. I read her book and that was enough for me. I am really not interested in hearing what she has to say.
I don't feel TV-1 put in a-lot of effort into producing's David's segment. From a historical perspective, it lacked meaningful content. I never felt David's essence was truly captured.
David was very popular and was a singing legend since his days with the Temptations and I think TV-1 missed an opportunity to capitialize on that and do his story some real justice. Unfortunately, I do have expectations and wished for something more, simply because I think David Ruffin deserved it.
If people can still revere Elvis with all his foibles (drug addiction included), then the same can be done for David.
That said, I wish they had interviewed somelike Candi Staton.
Here's an excerpt from an interview where she mentions DR: Nancy Did you tour with David Ruffin on the gospel circuit in those early days?
Candi-Staton No, not gospel
Candi-Staton n I used to ride in David's corvette with him and I was so scared he was so reckless, but i loved him. he was truly a friend. But that was in the 1970s when I was doing disco
Nancy LOL, but probably not as scary as riding on the motorcycle he had
Candi-Staton I could tell you some David Ruffin stories (laughing)
Candi-Staton One time me, Roger Redding and David got trapped in a snow storm. We were all drunk and had our drinks to keep us warm
earthjuice Go ahead and tell (nobody here but us...)
Candi-Staton We were in that car all night long, with the motor running
Nancy sounds like the good ole days
Candi-Staton (laughing) I miss David so much
Candi-Staton He kept me laughing Mike-Boone So do we
Nancy I loved his voice, did you ever record with him?
Candi-Staton He was special. One night he came to the Mozambique Club in Detroit. I was on stage singing and in the back of the room I heard this voice singing "My Girl" and the audience went wild! It was David! He pulled a chair up on stage and sat on the stage and just grinned at me. I couldn't hardly do my show
AAdamsRib I know I would have lost it ......... still Drooling over Ruffin
Candi-Staton The whole audience was in stiches, I don't know if they even knew what I was singing
EbonySatin Candi....I just want to tell you how much I have enjoyed your music from the early days until today
Candi-Staton Thank you so much Blanche that 's so deja vu! David and Eddie came to Dummy George in Detroit when Billy was playing there, they came up on stage and did My Girl with Billy . Billy was an honorary Tempt for one night. lol
Candi-Staton My son Marcus used to play drums for Eddie
Candi-Staton It doesn't seem real that they are gone
Citystars
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Post by cowgirlup on Apr 15, 2012 11:53:38 GMT -5
The reason David Jr and Genna rec'd the air time as they did, David Jr is the one to have TV1 bring this to the people. Many will never understand what took place with David Sr, he had many faces in his life time. He was kind beyond words, and could be just at cruel depending on his frame of mind. The fact of the matter, I am surprised he did as well as he did do to his own childhood. Peace, love and kindness in this response.
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Post by cowgirlup on Apr 15, 2012 12:05:11 GMT -5
I also want to add, David Ruffin Jr is the legit son of David Ruffin Sr, he stood in court to claim his son...so lets get the facts straight. Also David Sr had no widow at the time of his death, what he did have was several children not all born to Sandra Ruffin, makes the children his all the same, one cannot hold the child responsible for his birth or the circumstances of their birth, seems to me these posts are not about what JR was trying to bring to the people about his father (David Sr), its about Sandra and her girls, she was a part of his life but David Sr had moved on from her. The one thing I find so amazing about so many of the posts here, no one really with the exception of one, got it...David Sr needed love in his private life was not about him being a super star!
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Post by Common on Apr 15, 2012 15:17:25 GMT -5
*sigh* The name of the thread is the Ruffin family’s views about the Unsung program. That means that the comments that those are making in this thread is a response to a radio interview that Sandra and her daughters gave regarding the Unsung program. We already know that jr was friends with the producer which is why he and his mother got the most airtime. We are pretty “straight” on that.
It was the fans that first petition to have an Unsung program which is also in the same section.
Speaking for myself, I would have liked for Sandra to have equal time as to whoever else was on the program. It is also obvious that from the radio interviews that Sandra gave, that she and David still maintained a friendship despite their divorce. We already know that he moved on from her to someone else. He also moved on from genna too, didn’t he? So why invalidate one relationship and make the other as the only important one in his life as portrayed in the Unsung segment?
We’ve stated many times on this board that it would not surprise us if David (as well as other members of the Tempts) had outside kids. That’s not a shock to me. I saw one of them with my own eyes. And I don’t know what your purpose is to ‘get us straight’ about jr’s paternity. I didn’t see that as in issue here so I’m kinda lost as why that is being brought up. People will believe what they want. Nothing you can control.
Nobody has any delusions about what David was or wasn’t about. As a FAN messageboard, Bees created it because she, like fans and admirers of David, were tired of folks ONLY focusing on the negative aspects of Ruffin, real or imagined. I really don’t like when folks want to come here and chastise fans who always been supported of Ruffin’s work as an artist and as a human being. We all heard what jr stated about his father fame v. love. Some folks agree with his statement; others don’t. Ruffin was obviously hurting but since he is not here to state implicitly what his issues were/are, then we are pretty much putting together pieces of a puzzle, whether we knew him or not.
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