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Post by Queenie on Feb 29, 2004 10:46:11 GMT -5
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While I was waiting on my daughter to figure out the temper tamper was not going to set me off, I pick up one of my all time favorite piss off book. The Temptations story by O Williams the founder (yea give me a break).
Otis mention is his book "After the incident with Paul and Al, Al hit Paul with a bottle as a result Paul was rush to the hospital. O's words "The next day at the hospital I said, "Well, we've got to let Al go." Paul (the one who had blood dripping down his face) replied let him stay in the group.
It is just me the man does not have any loyalty what so ever. Al was his friend therefore he want to kick the man to the curb with out asking why all the animosity against the new members. After all Paul and Eddie was big part of the Tempts success.
So it does not surprise me why O forget who was David, Eddie, and Paul he doesn't understand the word loyalty
Once again the man has no loyalty to no one not even the 4 young men who made the Tempts a household name.
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Post by Michelle on Feb 29, 2004 11:12:33 GMT -5
I have to totally agree with you QueenNDF!! Otis comes across as looking for a way out of the poor house and in doing so used David's, Eddie's and Paul's voices to do so. It is very believable that he saw the group as a business and the guys as co-workers instead of friends/brothers!! Let me explain my feelings on that:
1. David - We all know that there is no other voice like David's to this very day and probably never will be! We also know that the Tempts did not receive a #1 hit until David joined the group and became one of the lead singers but when David began to have personal problems with drug abuse, Otis wanted him out of the group instead of doing what any real friend/brother would do and that is to love, support and encourage his friend/brother to get help. As long as David's voice was spitting out hits, everything was gravy but as soon as he began to have problems, he was kicked to the curb! What kind of love is that?
2. Paul - Same thing with Paul! Paul was the soul of the group with the rich, soulful baritone/tenor, as well as the group choreographer who along with Eddie brought the smooth moves, as well as kick ass vocals to the group but when Paul showed signs of depression, alcoholism and illness, he was also kicked to the curb. (I was told a couple of stories about this so any comments on this are greatly appreciated, as I was not there.) Mary Williams (Paul's wife) stated after Paul's death that Eddie was the only one of Paul's friends who stool by him until the day that he died. Again, as long as Paul was helping to get Otis out of the poor house, everthing was gravy but when things fell apart for him, he was bascially left to fend for himself. (Again, I believe there is a lot more to this saga, so I am asking for anyone who knew the guys to please add their comments, as I can only go by what I have been told because I was not physically there.)
3. Eddie - Eddie's situation was different. However, the results were the same. When Eddie demanded that things change and really began to question Motown's pitiful weekly allowances and weak ass contract, he was seen as a major threat! Although, he was not kicked to the curb like David and forced in the background like Paul, he came up with a lot of resistance and ultimately felt defeated and outnumbered because David was no longer in the group, and Paul was too ill to do much of anything! I believe that these are the reasons why Eddie left with the main reason being is that he wanted David back in the group. Again, any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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Post by Joy on Feb 29, 2004 12:11:03 GMT -5
I think Mr. Otis just wanted to preserve the group. Anyone, who didn’t do things the right way- or didn’t act like the good members Mr. Otis thought they should act, had to go. Sounds to me Melvin just never stood up to Mr. Otis. And Mr. Otis never stood up to Motown. I wonder what has Mr. Otis gotten from BG for his loyalty?  |
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Post by Michelle on Feb 29, 2004 12:45:00 GMT -5
I wonder what has Mr. Otis gotten from BG for his loyalty? A permanent ticket out of the poor house, (((Joy)))!!! |
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Post by Joy on Feb 29, 2004 12:58:34 GMT -5
A permanent ticket out of the poor house, (((Joy)))!!! LOL. |
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Post by Queenie on Feb 29, 2004 14:11:57 GMT -5
I think Mr. Otis just wanted to preserve the group. Anyone, who didn’t do things the right way- or didn’t act like the good members Mr. Otis thought they should act, had to go. Sounds to me Melvin just never stood up to Mr. Otis. And Mr. Otis never stood up to Motown. I wonder what has Mr. Otis gotten from BG for his loyalty? I think the group should be perserve but at what cost... Cost to be mothers and fathers siblings, children, friends, and fans... The cost was to high for David, Eddie, Paul, and Melvin... |
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Post by luvinruffin on Mar 1, 2004 22:30:20 GMT -5
I like the part in the movie when they were on the tour bus and Shelly was telling Otis that David was a no show. Otis started whining and Eddie just got up and walked to another part of the bus, like, I'm not even trying to hear thi s**t!
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Post by Queenie on Mar 1, 2004 23:11:48 GMT -5
I like the part in the movie when they were on the tour bus and Shelly was telling Otis that David was a no show. Otis started whining and Eddie just got up and walked to another part of the bus, like, I'm not even trying to hear thi s**t! LOL luvinruffin can you blame Eddie.. What Eddie should have done slapped the whinning out of him... |
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Post by molly on Mar 1, 2004 23:40:16 GMT -5
Okay! Now y'all all know Ruffin was my boy and I still love and miss him very much. And I am no ways a fan of Big O. BUT You can't blame O for being upset cause Ruffin didn't show up for a performance. I would feel the same way. Most of us would get mad if a co-worker called off work all the tme,or came in late habitually. Ruffin sold tickets. A whole lot of peope came to the shows just so they could see Ruffin. O would never admit it but he knew this. As tight as Ruffin and Kendrick were,Eddie got pissed when Ruffin didn't show up or showed up late. So my boy could have done a little better. I know I would have been pissed if I went to a Tempts show and Ruffin didn't perform. Hell I would be asking for my money back.
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Post by Davidfan on Mar 2, 2004 2:05:42 GMT -5
I wanna quote the movie .. a few times actually ... Some of my faves:
"No one is coming to see you, OTIS!"
"The tempts without david Ruffin is a group in search of a david ruffin! ... I made yo broke asses you ungrateful sons a B!+( |-|3s"
"Lord have mercy, if y’all ain’t five of the handsomest men in Detroit." "Ya’ll don’t even need to sing, just parade back and forth."
this last one is a quote from DER himself ... The actual david: ""SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO TRAVEL ONE CERTAIN WAY, SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO TRAVEL ANOTHER WAY. I GUESS YOU HEARD ABOUT THE LIMOUSINE WITH THE GLASSES AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS RIDING IN A STATION WAGON, SO I GUESS THAT WASN'T APPROPRIATE....BUT THEY COULD HAVE ROLLED WITH ME IF THEY WANTED TO!"
just felt like psoting somequotes ... enjoy ;D
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Post by luvinruffin on Mar 2, 2004 15:48:37 GMT -5
Okay! Now y'all all know Ruffin was my boy and I still love and miss him very much. And I am no ways a fan of Big O. BUT You can't blame O for being upset cause Ruffin didn't show up for a performance. I would feel the same way. Most of us would get mad if a co-worker called off work all the tme,or came in late habitually. Ruffin sold tickets. A whole lot of peope came to the shows just so they could see Ruffin. O would never admit it but he knew this. As tight as Ruffin and Kendrick were,Eddie got pissed when Ruffin didn't show up or showed up late. So my boy could have done a little better. I know I would have been pissed if I went to a Tempts show and Ruffin didn't perform. Hell I would be asking for my money back. \ Yeah Molly, you're right. I know David was wrong for leaving them hanging. But I still like that part when my boy Eddie just gets ups and walks away when Otis is whining. Regardless of what was going on, Eddie just wasn't trying to hear it from O. I don't blame him. I wouldn't wanna hear anything he had to say either! |
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Post by Common on Mar 2, 2004 16:10:14 GMT -5
Okay! Now y'all all know Ruffin was my boy and I still love and miss him very much. And I am no ways a fan of Big O. BUT You can't blame O for being upset cause Ruffin didn't show up for a performance. I would feel the same way. Most of us would get mad if a co-worker called off work all the tme,or came in late habitually. Ruffin sold tickets. A whole lot of peope came to the shows just so they could see Ruffin. O would never admit it but he knew this. As tight as Ruffin and Kendrick were,Eddie got pissed when Ruffin didn't show up or showed up late. So my boy could have done a little better. I know I would have been pissed if I went to a Tempts show and Ruffin didn't perform. Hell I would be asking for my money back. I agree with you Molly. Fair is fair. I'm no fan of O's either but David picked the wrong time to fight back at Motown. I think David was trying to prove a point as well as just doing what he wanted to. I wouldn't be a happy customer either if the person I came to see didn't show up! |
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Post by molly on Mar 2, 2004 16:53:16 GMT -5
\ Yeah Molly, you're right. I know David was wrong for leaving them hanging. But I still like that part when my boy Eddie just gets ups and walks away when Otis is whining. Regardless of what was going on, Eddie just wasn't trying to hear it from O. I don't blame him. I wouldn't wanna hear anything he had to say either! LOL!LOL! I know what you meanLOL!LOL! I wouldn't want to hear it either. |
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Post by Queenie on Mar 2, 2004 22:42:45 GMT -5
Okay Mrs. Molly/Common I buy that David made it hard on himself by doing what he did... but O complaining about it how many number one hits did the women with screaming over his lovely voice (0). Speaking of David disappearing acts did anyone from the Motown's management team talk to David. My opinion if BG had went to David and told him what he was doing was wrong and could hurt his future earnings David might showed for the next rehearsal.... just a thought...
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Post by molly on Mar 3, 2004 11:02:02 GMT -5
Okay Mrs. Molly/Common I buy that David made it hard on himself by doing what he did... but O complaining about it how many number one hits did the women with screaming over his lovely voice (0). Speaking of David disappearing acts did anyone from the Motown's management team talk to David. My opinion if BG had went to David and told him what he was doing was wrong and could hurt his future earnings David might showed for the next rehearsal.... just a thought... Hey QNew. Of course Ruffin was spoken to about missing shows. But Ruffin did what Ruffin wanted to do. Period.  :DNot only Motown's management talked to him people very close to him did too. On this particular subject I have to agree with O. Everybody wanted to see "The Star", thats exactly what Ruffin was/is.  |
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