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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 15, 2011 17:52:55 GMT -5
This was a trap post. I wanted to test your Integrity. I thought at the least you would be honest enough to admit your lack of personal knowledge, and above is your answer. You have absolutey NO way of knowing the accuracy of any statements given to the police or the media. You have absolutely NO way of knowing the status of Ruffin/Showers relationship. You have absolutley NO way of knowing what David Ruffin said in private to Ms.Showers. I know for a fact that you do not know Ms.Showers,and I am doubtful that you knew David Ruffin. You are making statements as if you were privy to the events you are questioning. Which of course proves my initial assessment. You lack intelligence and credibility. What legal standing do you have in this matter,that would compel anyone to submit to a polygraph at your request? You should seriously focus more on your mental wellness,(as you display narcissistic tendencies) and your glaring character flaws,rather than post half truths,assumptions and speculations on a internet forum. I fear I have given you more attention, than is due a person of your lowly caliber.
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Post by Drex on Dec 15, 2011 20:52:01 GMT -5
This was a trap post. I wanted to test your Integrity. I thought at the least you would be honest enough to admit your lack of personal knowledge, and above is your answer. You have absolutey NO way of knowing the accuracy of any statements given to the police or the media. You have absolutely NO way of knowing the status of Ruffin/Showers relationship. You have absolutley NO way of knowing what David Ruffin said in private to Ms.Showers. I know for a fact that you do not know Ms.Showers,and I am doubtful that you knew David Ruffin. You are making statements as if you were privy to the events you are questioning. Which of course proves my initial assessment. You lack intelligence and credibility. What legal standing do you have in this matter,that would compel anyone to submit to a polygraph at your request? You should seriously focus more on your mental wellness,(as you display narcissistic tendencies) and your glaring character flaws,rather than post half truths,assumptions and speculations on a internet forum. I fear I have given you more attention, than is due a person of your lowly caliber. Calm down sweet pea......let's focus on the polygraph questions: *Did you know David Ruffin was at a hotel with another woman prior to his death? *Did you know David Ruffin was dead prior to receiving a call from the media? * How did you learn the briefcase was at the alleged crack house?
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 15, 2011 22:06:13 GMT -5
LOL@Focus on polygraph questions. Why should anyone including yourself focus on something that will never be realized. For your information, a private citizen (as I assume you are) can only utilize a polygraph test in matters not involving the legal or criminal justice system. Now I am also assuming your invitation to take such a test is to prove a crime was committed, which would most assuredly fall under legal or criminal justice system. Add to that the cost which could range from 600.00-1000.00, if the administrator is a member of the APA and/or AAPP. Of course there are cut rate administrators with rates as low as 200.00. of course this is a mute point, since the type of test you are requesting is not available to you. So in veiw of this information you may want to retract your meaningless yet generous invitation.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 15, 2011 22:34:18 GMT -5
Oh Goody....If we're asking questions..I have a few **My questions to you are 1 -Are you doing this on behalf of Dennis Edwards or the estate of Eddie Kendricks? You continue to refer to the "missing" cash as David Ruffin's cash,when in fact it was not. The monies Murrell "supposedly" was holding belonged to Kendricks and Edwards. David Ruffin was always in possession of his share of the money.(a fact with evidence to support it) I can for tickels and grins provide a answer to this question you asked. Q-Do you know who spent David Ruffin's cash? A-David Ruffin spent David Ruffin's money. **2-Do you know who spent Dennis Edwards and Eddie Kendricks cash? If in fact you are attempting to "follow the money" then Your entire investigation (for lack of a better word) hinges on the most pertinent questions, that you are obviosly too inept to consider. **3-Did Murrell actually hold any money for safe keeping? (This has to be proven first) **4-If there is evidence (actual proof) of number 3. How much cash was Murrell given? **5-Only after 3 and 4 have been proven. How many times did David Ruffin request monies from Murrell? **6-After sufficient proof of 3,4,5 has been offered .How much money did Murrell return to David Ruffin? You see, certain truths must be uncovered prior to embarking on a "witch hunt" . FYI...There is a ongoing discussion regarding the death of Frankie Lymon. Was his death overdose or murder? You may want to tackle that one too.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 15, 2011 22:49:15 GMT -5
* How did you learn the briefcase was at the alleged crack house?
Alleged Crack House? LOL LOL Evidence has proven it was an actual Crack House You know a place where people frequent to sell, buy and use Crack Cocaine. LOL!LOL!@"Alleged"
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Post by Drex on Dec 16, 2011 16:11:03 GMT -5
* How did you learn the briefcase was at the alleged crack house?Alleged Crack House? LOL LOL Evidence has proven it was an actual Crack House You know a place where people frequent to sell, buy and use Crack Cocaine. LOL!LOL!@"Alleged" Sweet pea, focus. You are evading and deflecting. 1. When did DS learn about the briefcase being "left behind" in the alleged crack house? 2. Did she call Butch Murrell or did Butch Murrell call her about the briefcase being "left behind" in the crack house? 3. Did DS tell Butch Murrell to bring her the "left behind" briefcase? 4. Why didn't DS tell Butch Murrell to call police investigators instead of bringing her the "left behind" briefcase? 5. Donald Brown returned the limousine at 4 am according to Butch Murrell, did Donald Brown tell Butch Murrell about the "left behind" briefcase at 4 am? 5. Did Butch Murrell know or not know Donald Brown prior to allowing him to drive his limousine? (Conflicting media quotes by Butch Murrell) I'm tired..more later....
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 16, 2011 17:54:35 GMT -5
LOL!LOL! Were you under the mistaken impression that YOU were conducting an interrogation/interview? LOL!LOL! I could accuse you of being evasive as welll, since I also presented YOU with a list of questions that you, like I chose to ignore. The difference however, is in my case I am UNWILLING,and in your case you are UNABLE. We have reached a impasse. LOL!LOL! I don't want to play anymore LOL! But I know you will continue in your quest for fame,and visions of grandeur because the internet is a narcissist's dream come true. So as you continue to feed your personality disorder, I hope our discourse has at least "taught" enough regarding "polygraph test" that you will never offer to order one again. Since you are a intellectual lightweight, you should avoid highlighting it. Please remember being realistic is the first step towards mental wellness. Now may you and all the other residents of Delusional-Ville have a Happy Holiday.
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Post by Drex on Dec 19, 2011 12:57:01 GMT -5
LOL!LOL! Were you under the mistaken impression that YOU were conducting an interrogation/interview? LOL!LOL! I could accuse you of being evasive as welll, since I also presented YOU with a list of questions that you, like I chose to ignore. The difference however, is in my case I am UNWILLING,and in your case you are UNABLE. We have reached a impasse. LOL!LOL! I don't want to play anymore LOL! But I know you will continue in your quest for fame,and visions of grandeur because the internet is a narcissist's dream come true. So as you continue to feed your personality disorder, I hope our discourse has at least "taught" enough regarding "polygraph test" that you will never offer to order one again. Since you are a intellectual lightweight, you should avoid highlighting it. Please remember being realistic is the first step towards mental wellness. Now may you and all the other residents of Delusional-Ville have a Happy Holiday. My questions haven't changed since 2002 when I traveled to Philadelphia the first time. I read the published articles, statements and videos from 1991...then, spoke to others who told a different story. For instance, DS told reporters they were still planning to wed. In fact, Mr. David had announced he was leaving Philadelphia and was in a hotel with a lady friend just days before his death. Butch Murrell, is also quoted he told both reporters and police he Ruffin did know the local resident who lived a few blocks from Murrell, but, who was not an employee-Donald Brown. In another quote, Murrell stated, that he did not know Brown that Ruffin must have just met him, must have just got to talking...ok, well, then was David driving the limousine until he "just met" Brown? And, right before David died, did he tell Brown where to return the limousine? Records read that staff from the UHOP ER stated Brown left the hospital at 2:55 am. But, Murrell said he didn't return the limousine until 4 am. It was less than five miles between the two, where did Brown go and what did he do for that 65 minutes? The briefcase-Murrell stated he sent Omar Bishop to retrieve the briefcase Saturday morning and took it to DS. Brown said he left behind the briefcase when he loaded Ruffin into the limousine. How did Bishop get into Nowell's alleged crack house, was it unlocked? Nowell said he left before Ruffin, who locked up? Too many unanswered questions, wouldn't you agree Sweet Pea?
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Post by Drex on Dec 23, 2011 14:46:21 GMT -5
When both the defense and the prosecution agree to allow polygraph results into the court record, they are "stipulated." So there ARE times when polygraph test results are admissible. Even after 20 years, the answers are in polygraph exams.
Butch Murrell 1. Did you know Donald Brown prior to May 31, 1991. 2. Did you give David Ruffin all the money you were "safe keeping?" 3. Do you know who gave David Ruffin the drugs that overdosed him on the evening of May 31, 1991. 4. Where you at the crack house on the night of May 31 and in the early morning of June 1, 1991? 5. Did you have possession of David Ruffin's briefcase on May 31, 1991? 6. How did you learn the briefcase was at the crack house? 7. Did you open the briefcase?
Donald Brown 1. Where were you and the limousine from 2:55 am to 4 am on Saturday morning June 1, 1991. 2. Did you leave the briefcase at the crackhouse? 3. Did you give the briefcase to Butch Murrell at 4 am when you returned the limousine? 4. Do you know who gave David Ruffin the drugs that overdosed him on May 31, 1991? 5.Did you open the briefcase
William Nowell 1. Why did you give the temp limousine driver Donald Brown Ruffin's $200 after Ruffin passed out? 2. Did you leave the crack house before Ruffin was loaded into limousine? 3. Did you keep the crack house locked when you were not there? 4. How did Omar Bishop gain entry into the crack house Saturday morning to retrieve the briefcase? 5. Did you call B. Murrell and tell him the briefcase was at the crack house? 6. Did you open the briefcase? 7. Was the $200 you stated David Ruffin put on your table for drugs? 8. Do you know who gave David Ruffin the drugs that overdosed him?
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 26, 2011 23:30:43 GMT -5
quote]When both the defense and the prosecution agree to allow polygraph results into the court record, they are "stipulated." So there ARE times when polygraph test results are admissible[/quote] The admissibility of a polygraph test was never mentioned, Once again you're WRONG....Such a test is admissible if ruled on by the JUDGE. Regarding polygraph I posted:
For your information, a private citizen (as I assume you are) can only utilize a polygraph test in matters NOT involving the legal or criminal justice system. Now I am also assuming your invitation to take such a test is to prove a crime was committed, which would most assuredly fall under legal or criminal justice system Of course it doesnt matter,because there will never be a polygraph,,there will never be a criminal investigation NOR will there ever be a court preceedings in regards to your "investigation". YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN CAN NOT ORDER A POLYGRAPH TEST!!! You should leave "Fantasy Island",and rejoin the REAL world! What you're selling, law enforcement isn't buying. Let it GO... Dream another Impossible Dream, because the David Ruffin Murder dream you're chasing has ZERO chance of EVER being realized. ZERO CHANCE! But you know that don't you? .
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Post by Drex on Dec 28, 2011 14:08:01 GMT -5
quote]When both the defense and the prosecution agree to allow polygraph results into the court record, they are "stipulated." So there ARE times when polygraph test results are admissible The admissibility of a polygraph test was never mentioned, Once again you're WRONG ....Such a test is admissible if ruled on by the JUDGE. Regarding polygraph I posted: For your information, a private citizen (as I assume you are) can only utilize a polygraph test in matters NOT involving the legal or criminal justice system. Now I am also assuming your invitation to take such a test is to prove a crime was committed, which would most assuredly fall under legal or criminal justice system Of course it doesnt matter,because there will never be a polygraph,,there will never be a criminal investigation NOR will there ever be a court preceedings in regards to your "investigation". YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN CAN NOT ORDER A POLYGRAPH TEST!!!You should leave "Fantasy Island",and rejoin the REAL world! What you're selling, law enforcement isn't buying. Let it GO... Dream another Impossible Dream, because the David Ruffin Murder dream you're chasing has ZERO chance of EVER being realized. ZERO CHANCE! But you know that don't you? . [/quote] Should Showers, Murrell, Nowell, Brown and/or Bishop wish to assist with filling the many chronological holes in their stories, they can submit to a polygraph, my treat. And, no, I'll continue to chase this dream. BTW read the book, The Capeman, by Richard Jacoby of Santa Monica. Amazing reseacher and writer. Paul Simon even tried to do a play, sadly it flopped. But, the book and its writer/researcher AMAZING man.....I'm finding the interest in Mr. Ruffin's death is still relevent. ;-)
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Post by Drex on Dec 28, 2011 14:12:26 GMT -5
2,022 members and peepers views from 1,859 last week. Still relevant.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 29, 2011 0:40:01 GMT -5
Should Showers, Murrell, Nowell, Brown and/or Bishop wish to assist with filling the many chronological holes in their stories, they can submit to a polygraph, my treat. YOU are saying there are many "holes' in their accounts. However you have not have spoken to any of these people, Are you relying on articles,and sketchy hearsay to come to the conclusion of "chronological holes"? Doesn't really matter,because not any of these people would ever consider your foolish and meaningless offer.
A private citizen (as I assume you are) can only utilize a polygraph test in matters NOT involving the legal or criminal justice system Who would they submit to take a polygraph test to? Certainly NOT you,and Law enfrocement is not remotely interested nor involved in your "fantasy investigation.
And, no, I'll continue to chase this dream.
Great, it's your time you're wasting. Chase this impossible dream but know that NOTHING will ever come from it. The failure of your investigation is evident to everybody except you.
BTW read the book, The Capeman, by Richard Jacoby of Santa Monica. Amazing reseacher and writer. Paul Simon even tried to do a play, sadly it flopped. But, the book and its writer/researcher AMAZING man
BTW watch the first 48 hours.It's a show that follows "REAL LIFE" homocide investigators. The premise of this show is for REAL LIFE homicide detectives, their chance of solving a case is cut in half if they don't get a lead within the first 48 hours.
.....I'm finding the interest in Mr. Ruffin's death is still relevent. ;-)
A delusional person can make themselves believe anything. Come back when Law Enforcement becomes interested. Until then what does interest in internet chatter and wild accusations matter? Ironic you use the term flopped...it clearly defines your efforts
2,022 members and peepers views from 1,859 last week. Still relevant
LOL!LOL! Are you positive that people are viewing because of it's relevance? How many viewers have come forward to "help you"? How many of your questions have been addressed? How many family members support you? Don't confuse curiosity of internet drama with actual interest. But Good Luck LOL!LOL! Maybe you will "uncover" the smoking gun in 2012, you've only been at this for 11 years,so keep on pushing. LOL!LOL!
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Post by Drex on Dec 29, 2011 13:21:54 GMT -5
Should Showers, Murrell, Nowell, Brown and/or Bishop wish to assist with filling the many chronological holes in their stories, they can submit to a polygraph, my treat. YOU are saying there are many "holes' in their accounts. However you have not have spoken to any of these people, Are you relying on articles,and sketchy hearsay to come to the conclusion of "chronological holes"? Doesn't really matter,because not any of these people would ever consider your foolish and meaningless offer. A private citizen (as I assume you are) can only utilize a polygraph test in matters NOT involving the legal or criminal justice systemWho would they submit to take a polygraph test to? Certainly NOT you,and Law enfrocement is not remotely interested nor involved in your "fantasy investigation.And, no, I'll continue to chase this dream. Great, it's your time you're wasting. Chase this impossible dream but know that NOTHING will ever come from it. The failure of your investigation is evident to everybody except you. BTW read the book, The Capeman, by Richard Jacoby of Santa Monica. Amazing reseacher and writer. Paul Simon even tried to do a play, sadly it flopped. But, the book and its writer/researcher AMAZING man BTW watch the first 48 hours.It's a show that follows "REAL LIFE" homocide investigators. The premise of this show is for REAL LIFE homicide detectives, their chance of solving a case is cut in half if they don't get a lead within the first 48 hours. .....I'm finding the interest in Mr. Ruffin's death is still relevent. ;-) A delusional person can make themselves believe anything. Come back when Law Enforcement becomes interested. Until then what does interest in internet chatter and wild accusations matter? Ironic you use the term flopped...it clearly defines your efforts2,022 members and peepers views from 1,859 last week. Still relevant LOL!LOL! Are you positive that people are viewing because of it's relevance? How many viewers have come forward to "help you"? How many of your questions have been addressed? How many family members support you? Don't confuse curiosity of internet drama with actual interest. But Good Luck LOL!LOL! Maybe you will "uncover" the smoking gun in 2012, you've only been at this for 11 years,so keep on pushing. LOL!LOL!Did you post you have given me too much time? How can I miss you if you don't go away. Your attempt to deflect by focusing on me only shows you HOPE no one cares. True, the facts may not be by me, but what satisfaction will come to me when those who lured Ruffn to his death are revealed. What greedy obsessed slim balls to be so small that they could not stand on their own without having David Ruffin in their life. Ruffin used them in his time of homelessness and they used a middle aged former singer as the only rope to drag themself up from a life of total irrelevance and obscurity....and knew once he left their lives, they'd just be number, another notch. Obsessive love fueled by rejection. Spliting the cash was the icing on the cake.
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Post by You Can Stop Now on Dec 30, 2011 12:10:42 GMT -5
Did you post you have given me too much time? How can I miss you if you don't go away. Your attempt to deflect by focusing on me only shows you HOPE no one cares. True, the facts may not be by me, but what satisfaction will come to me when those who lured Ruffn to his death are revealed. What greedy obsessed slim balls to be so small that they could not stand on their own without having David Ruffin in their life. Ruffin used them in his time of homelessness and they used a middle aged former singer as the only rope to drag themself up from a life of total irrelevance and obscurity....and knew once he left their lives, they'd just be number, another notch. Obsessive love fueled by rejection. Spliting the cash was the icing on the cake.
LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! Great Theory!!!! NOT...LOL!LOL!LOL! Good Luck proving that one. LOL!LOL! I know it's not right to make fun of mental challenged people but I can't help it. You are hilarious!!!!
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