David Ruffin Unsung Epi 030512

[Common]

www.eurweb.com/2012/03/hollywoods-w-hotel-hosted-preview-of-ruffin-unsung/

[Brandy]

Mar 11, 2012 10:56:15 GMT -5 Joy said:

I saw unsung yesterday finally 3/9/12.
Bees: I agree David Jr. statement was profounding.

Brandy: I too am glad Mrs. Sandra Ruffin cleared up the fact that she was married when Genna was in the picture.

Common I agree with you I am glad they did not go into the relationship with Tammi.

BTW: why does genna have Ruffin as her last name?

I wish they had played more of his solo songs like “just let me hold you” ya’ll know the rest. To me they played too much of temptations music. But if you want the public to know more about his career post temptations, they should have played more of solo hits other than “walk away from love.”

All his kids, and nephew did a wonderful job. I am glad jr. cleared up “dad didn’t die in crack house, he died in the hospital”. And Nedra looks just like her dad

joyyy I hooted and hollered when I heard mrs sandra say that lol I was like good she cleared it up lol

[BeesNVMe]

Mar 7, 2012 20:27:39 GMT -5 rufferino said:

After looking at the "full" episode online I'm realizing there's some stuff missing. I remember somebody saying something about how David loved all of his women: Sandra, Genna, Tammi.
I don't see that in the posted version. I wonder what else is missing.

The episode was on again last nite and I heard someone say that line...I can't remember hearing it. If I catch it again I will be more alert

[BeesNVMe]

Mar 11, 2012 10:56:15 GMT -5 Joy said:

I saw unsung yesterday finally 3/9/12.
Bees: I agree David Jr. statement was profounding.

Brandy: I too am glad Mrs. Sandra Ruffin cleared up the fact that she was married when Genna was in the picture.

Common I agree with you I am glad they did not go into the relationship with Tammi.

BTW: why does genna have Ruffin as her last name?

I wish they had played more of his solo songs like “just let me hold you” ya’ll know the rest. To me they played too much of temptations music. But if you want the public to know more about his career post temptations, they should have played more of solo hits other than “walk away from love.”

All his kids, and nephew did a wonderful job. I am glad jr. cleared up “dad didn’t die in crack house, he died in the hospital”. And Nedra looks just like her dad

Hey Joy! Good to see you here. How's your sister Queenie? We miss yall!

[drtemptation]

I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THE PROGRAM REALLY TOOK A DEEP LOOK INTO THE LIFE OF DAVID. I WAS KIND OF SAD AFTER VIEWING:

1. THE TOLL OF HIS ISSUES GREATLY AFFECTED HIS FAMILIES AND THE WOMEN WHO LOVED DAVID. HIS PERSONAL ABUSE HE HIM SELF RECIEVED AND THE ABUSE THAT DAVID GAVE OUT. THAT PAINTED THE PICTURE OF JEKELL AND HYDE

2. MISSED OPPORTUNITIES....THIS MAN HAD A GREAT VOICE. I BELIEVE HE COULD HAVE TAKEN THE TEMPTATIONS TO GREATER HEIGHTS. DAVIDS SOLO CAREER HAD OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIM TO DO GREAT THINGS.....DRUGS IS THE DEMON FOR MOST MEN...ESPECIALLY MEN OF COLOR. DENNIS SAID THEY WERE BIGGER IN EUROPE THAN OTIS' TEMPTATIONS. THIS SHOWED US THE GREATNESS OF DAVID-DENNIS AND EDDIE.....ANOTHER MISSED OPPORTUNITY

3. DAVID WAS ATTACKED BY SATAN IN THE AREA OF HIS SOUL. THE SOUL IS THE SEAT OF YOUR INTELLECT, YOUR MIND, SUB-CONSCIOUS MIND, YOUR WILL AND EMOTIONS. THE ABUSE OF HIS PAST AND EARLY YEARS AND DRUGS WAS THE STRAGEDY THAT SATAN USED AGAINST HIM......DAVID STARTED SINGING IN THE CHURCH...IF HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO THE CHURCH

4. MY HEART WENT OUT TO DAVID, JR.....HE LOVED HIS FATHER INSPITE OF HIS DEMONS.

THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRUTH....IT CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LIGHT....BUT THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS. MAYBE SOME GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS.....HIS FAMILIES SHOULD BE IN OUR PRAYERS....THEY HAVE A PAIN THAT ONLY GOD CAN HEAL

[Common]

Welcome Dr. Temptation!

First all, not to be mean or anything, but you're killing folks with the all caps. It's kinda hard to read plus it's considered shouting as they say in netiquette.

That's being said:

I have to disagree with some things you said:

"DAVID WAS ATTACKED BY SATAN IN THE AREA OF HIS SOUL. THE SOUL IS THE SEAT OF YOUR INTELLECT, YOUR MIND, SUB-CONSCIOUS MIND, YOUR WILL AND EMOTIONS. THE ABUSE OF HIS PAST AND EARLY YEARS AND DRUGS WAS THE STRAGEDY THAT SATAN USED AGAINST HIM......DAVID STARTED SINGING IN THE CHURCH...IF HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO THE CHURCH"

You know, there seems to be some sort of denial when people invoke certain religious aspects in the lives of a celebrity. Some of us tend to put them on a pedestal and when they fall off or don't live up to expectations, we then want to condemn them. Church is not the end all to every thing in every day life. David needed some type of therapy and drug rehabilitation. Particularly, therapy, which the church seems to shun or have disdain for. Therapy has helped alot of people but society still has a stigma against it as if it is only for 'crazy people'. Church is only part of the equation.

Also, David was not the only one with demons. What about genna's? Do you think that was the 'godly' thing to do which is to stalk and harass the man's wife after helping break up his marriage? What about her soul, too? When she found out he was married, she chose to get pregnant. I've also never read her saying that she regretted what she did. So it's easy to talk about David's demons because he had issues but she did too. And it was both of them that caused that abusive situation. Abuse is not just physical. It's mental and verbal too.

I feel sad for all of David's children, not just jr. Sandra's daughters also had to deal with alot of crap as well, particularly, having to witness their mother deal with all that drama. How do you think they feel?

I think what was shown on Unsung was the truths of only two people. David Ruffin is not here to give his side of the story. I don't think what Otis said was all the truth. I think it was based more of his jaded perception. All Unsung did was regurgitate what was in the Temptations Movie but only clearing up a couple of points. As sad as the segment was, Unsung took the easy way out and stuck to the script regarding Ruffin.

[Queenie]

Hello DER family.

I finally saw DER Unsung episode and I thought like many of you did...... DERjr has found his voice...... his mother is crazy as hell... the girls are still hurting from their father's death...... even though Ms Ruffin did not say a lot it was nice to hear from her.... Otis is still trying to make his self more than what he really was in the group....Shelly Berger Who???

I was disappointed watching this show. I wanted to hear from the people who really knew DER. BEES and Ms. Molly, I guess you were MIA when the producers were searching for people who knew DER. LOL I am tired of the producers handing the mic to Otis. Otis needs to worry about how the history books will be remember him. DER has been dead for 21+ and he is still running his mouth can someone please shut him up!!!!

Shelly Berger - really Unsung producers!! I am not understanding why he was asked to participate he brought no value to the conversation. It has been reported on blogs, Jet, Ebony and the Motown's basement, Tempts had 3 leading voices(DER, EKs, and PW). What was the purpose of him adding I don't why DER thought the group blah, blah, his comments should have been deleted before it the air Why did he focus on the negative? He should have said the man had great talent but, he was his worst enemy.
Period!!

Baby girls it is time to leave the pain where you found it 06/01/1991 daddy has been summed by the God to lead the Heavenly Gospel church. He has done his work on Earth and it was time for him to go home. Baby girls wipe the tears think about all the fun times you had with your father. And if that doesn't work power up the computer type in You tube... and have ball watching your daddy sing the heck out of My Girl.

DERjr, like I said you have found your voice... advising the world what David needed to conquer his demons. I only wish you were the age you are today telling DER what you've told us.

Crazy, Crazy(Gena) - why did Unsung producers put this woman on television? Ms Ruffin knew DER before "My Girl" became number one. Why was her comments limited to 5 minutes. Unsung producers when did you allow side piece dominate the interviews? DER's life was showered with DRAMA you did not need to add more to it. If the producers did not have enough people to interview for DER's segment, why they did not contact DER's horse? I am pretty sure the horse was available Genna's presence was not needed. What she said did not make hilly beans sense... TT took DER away from her.. what the h*******.

[rufferino]

Bees, I don't know how to include your response when I reply, but anyway - I have a friend who recorded the episode, and we watched it again - it is the sister in law who stated that David loved all 3 of his women. I'm not sure who she was married to or related to.

The online version cuts out her line, as well as a few other lines by other people. Have no idea why, except that it could be a timing thing....wish they'd figure out how to post the whole thing.
The deleted comments are important.

[drtemptation]

Mar 14, 2012 20:18:41 GMT -5 Common said:

Welcome Dr. Temptation!

First all, not to be mean or anything, but you're killing folks with the all caps. It's kinda hard to read plus it's considered shouting as they say in netiquette.

Doctor Temptation...I did not mean to shout I was just stating a point

That's being said:



Welcome Dr. Temptation!

First all, not to be mean or anything, but you're killing folks with the all caps. It's kinda hard to read plus it's considered shouting as they say in netiquette.

Doctor Temptation...I did not mean to shout I was just stating a point

That's being said:

I have to disagree with some things you said:

"DAVID WAS ATTACKED BY SATAN IN THE AREA OF HIS SOUL. THE SOUL IS THE SEAT OF YOUR INTELLECT, YOUR MIND, SUB-CONSCIOUS MIND, YOUR WILL AND EMOTIONS. THE ABUSE OF HIS PAST AND EARLY YEARS AND DRUGS WAS THE STRAGEDY THAT SATAN USED AGAINST HIM......DAVID STARTED SINGING IN THE CHURCH...IF HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO THE CHURCH"

You know, there seems to be some sort of denial when people invoke certain religious aspects in the lives of a celebrity. Some of us tend to put them on a pedestal and when they fall off or don't live up to expectations, we then want to condemn them. Church is not the end all to every thing in every day life. David needed some type of therapy and drug rehabilitation. Particularly, therapy, which the church seems to shun or have disdain for. Therapy has helped alot of people but society still has a stigma against it as if it is only for 'crazy people'. Church is only part of the equation.

Doctor Temptation....I believe the Church is the answer. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. When Jesus is left out of the equation...the sin issue takes over and those demons manifest themselves. Nobody is perfect, but God did provide an answer through Jesus Christ. When the subject of religion or church comes up.....in many cases it causes resistence. If David could have gotten back to the church he might be alive today


Also, David was not the only one with demons. What about genna's? Do you think that was the 'godly' thing to do which is to stalk and harass the man's wife after helping break up his marriage? What about her soul, too? When she found out he was married, she chose to get pregnant. I've also never read her saying that she regretted what she did. So it's easy to talk about David's demons because he had issues but she did too. And it was both of them that caused that abusive situation. Abuse is not just physical. It's mental and verbal too.


Doctor Temptation....Genna made a choice. Life is full of choices, good and bad. Relationships can make or break you. David was a star, a showman and he HAD money.....and women run after that.
You had two imperfect people coming together for different reasons. When the thrill was gone...I guess so was David. I believe Tammy was the love of his life....He loved them all in his own way

I feel sad for all of David's children, not just jr. Sandra's daughters also had to deal with alot of crap as well, particularly, having to witness their mother deal with all that drama. How do you think they feel?

Doctor Temptation....I saw hurt.....abanoment....and some abuse

I think what was shown on Unsung was the truths of only two people. David Ruffin is not here to give his side of the story. I don't think what Otis said was all the truth. I think it was based more of his jaded perception. All Unsung did was regurgitate what was in the Temptations Movie but only clearing up a couple of points. As sad as the segment was, Unsung took the easy way out and stuck to the script regarding Ruffin.

Doctor Temptation....Otis was simply stating his opinion of what he saw....some that he knew, but he himself had a bad relationship with David. Dennis and Eddie really cared about David. The stuck with David through thick and thin. The three of them were successful and better than Otis' Temptations. To be honest it was David that made Otis.....David's voice is still singing "My Girl" from the grave. David's leads will never go out of style. How many of Otis' leads made it to number 1

Have a blessed Today

The Doctor Temptation

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I have to disagree with some things you said:

"DAVID WAS ATTACKED BY SATAN IN THE AREA OF HIS SOUL. THE SOUL IS THE SEAT OF YOUR INTELLECT, YOUR MIND, SUB-CONSCIOUS MIND, YOUR WILL AND EMOTIONS. THE ABUSE OF HIS PAST AND EARLY YEARS AND DRUGS WAS THE STRAGEDY THAT SATAN USED AGAINST HIM......DAVID STARTED SINGING IN THE CHURCH...IF HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO THE CHURCH"

You know, there seems to be some sort of denial when people invoke certain religious aspects in the lives of a celebrity. Some of us tend to put them on a pedestal and when they fall off or don't live up to expectations, we then want to condemn them. Church is not the end all to every thing in every day life. David needed some type of therapy and drug rehabilitation. Particularly, therapy, which the church seems to shun or have disdain for. Therapy has helped alot of people but society still has a stigma against it as if it is only for 'crazy people'. Church is only part of the equation.

Doctor Temptation....I believe the Church is the answer. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. When Jesus is left out of the equation...the sin issue takes over and those demons manifest themselves. Nobody is perfect, but God did provide an answer through Jesus Christ. When the subject of religion or church comes up.....in many cases it causes resistence. If David could have gotten back to the church he might be alive today


Also, David was not the only one with demons. What about genna's? Do you think that was the 'godly' thing to do which is to stalk and harass the man's wife after helping break up his marriage? What about her soul, too? When she found out he was married, she chose to get pregnant. I've also never read her saying that she regretted what she did. So it's easy to talk about David's demons because he had issues but she did too. And it was both of them that caused that abusive situation. Abuse is not just physical. It's mental and verbal too.


Doctor Temptation....Genna made a choice. Life is full of choices, good and bad. Relationships can make or break you. David was a star, a showman and he HAD money.....and women run after that.
You had two imperfect people coming together for different reasons. When the thrill was gone...I guess so was David. I believe Tammy was the love of his life....He loved them all in his own way

I feel sad for all of David's children, not just jr. Sandra's daughters also had to deal with alot of crap as well, particularly, having to witness their mother deal with all that drama. How do you think they feel?

Doctor Temptation....I saw hurt.....abanoment....and some abuse

I think what was shown on Unsung was the truths of only two people. David Ruffin is not here to give his side of the story. I don't think what Otis said was all the truth. I think it was based more of his jaded perception. All Unsung did was regurgitate what was in the Temptations Movie but only clearing up a couple of points. As sad as the segment was, Unsung took the easy way out and stuck to the script regarding Ruffin.

Doctor Temptation....Otis was simply stating his opinion of what he saw....some that he knew, but he himself had a bad relationship with David. Dennis and Eddie really cared about David. The stuck with David through thick and thin. The three of them were successful and better than Otis' Temptations. To be honest it was David that made Otis.....David's voice is still singing "My Girl" from the grave. David's leads will never go out of style. How many of Otis' leads made it to number 1

Have a blessed Today

The Doctor Temptation

[wyldeflower]

I really enjoyed it and the worst parts were Otis as he seems to have a lot to say .Would have liked to have seen more of David Junior and the girls..
I have been a huge fan of the Temptations and especially David since i was young And i feel he had a sad start to life and the demons never left him ..Things like that do happen to sensitive people and His drug taking was probably his escape..Which is very sad as i wish he was still here..I came accross this forum by accident and i thought i was in heaven..I love Davids Music i play his cds daily and never get fed up of listening to his voice as it was truly a great gift..

[Joy]

Hey Bees, brandy, everyone.

[markb]

I've watched that Unsung episode tons of times by now.

I felt like Otis was VERY kind speaking about David actually. He seem to have liked David. talking about how he would never take My Girl out of the line-up and calling David very sincere.
I feel like his wife Genna LOVES! to talk down on him and make him look bad. His son is very kind though. A tough guy but kind. (Like his father)

EDIT - I feel bad reading this back. I shouldn't blame Genna for talking bad about him. He simply didn't treat her like a lady. Even though David's story is sad. It's probably very sad for her to.