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Nov 25, 2003 8:36:13 GMT -5
Post by BeesNVMe on Nov 25, 2003 8:36:13 GMT -5
A lot has been going on in The Palace lately. I have been extremely busy recently and haven't had the time to deal with any of this drama. If anyone has any issues they need to address, please feel free to lay them on the table. I have a big problem with this board being disrupted and turned it into some kind of war zone...which was totally unnecessary. It is perfectly ok to disagree with someone, but why must it turn into a battle ground? I saw a comment regarding the mentality on this board...comparing it to the projects or something. I am totally offended by that statement and would like to take issue with the person who made it. If you feel you are out of your league here, then maybe you should have had the good sense not to even post in a place that was beneath you.
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Nov 25, 2003 9:04:20 GMT -5
Post by Andy on Nov 25, 2003 9:04:20 GMT -5
That wasn't me, CP. I stay neutral in these things. Want to buy some pictures?
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Nov 25, 2003 9:43:05 GMT -5
Post by Drexell on Nov 25, 2003 9:43:05 GMT -5
CP, I am apologizing for MB posting my group w/o your permission. I sent you an email regarding this. I did not get on the boards last night and heard about it when I went to mine this A.M. I wanted to publicly apologize. Drex
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Nov 25, 2003 10:05:09 GMT -5
Post by Common on Nov 25, 2003 10:05:09 GMT -5
A lot has been going on in The Palace lately. I have been extremely busy recently and haven't had the time to deal with any of this drama. If anyone has any issues they need to address, please feel free to lay them on the table. I have a big problem with this board being disrupted and turned it into some kind of war zone...which was totally unnecessary. It is perfectly ok to disagree with someone, but why must it turn into a battle ground? I saw a comment regarding the mentality on this board...comparing it to the projects or something. I am totally offended by that statement and would like to take issue with the person who made it. If you feel you are out of your league here, then maybe you should have had the good sense not to even post in a place that was beneath you. This is what I was trying to point out when this person first posted here. Why post in a place where you feel uncomfortable? That's is a legit question. But it's "bullish" to ask that when the person obviously got upset because no one responded to her post right away. Then made another post about an "undercurrent of hosility". I didn't think these comments were necessary & she literally went into a tirade when I addressed her. There was no malice nor anything mean in what I said. That was not my intention. I also stated that we'd be more than happy to help with any questions she asked, but instead, decided she wanted to disrupt & cause havoc, so I discontinued having any more conversation with this person. They only proved my point that that was their whole purpose from the start.
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Nov 25, 2003 14:52:41 GMT -5
Post by MB on Nov 25, 2003 14:52:41 GMT -5
A lot has been going on in The Palace lately. I have been extremely busy recently and haven't had the time to deal with any of this drama. If anyone has any issues they need to address, please feel free to lay them on the table. I have a big problem with this board being disrupted and turned it into some kind of war zone...which was totally unnecessary. It is perfectly ok to disagree with someone, but why must it turn into a battle ground? I saw a comment regarding the mentality on this board...comparing it to the projects or something. I am totally offended by that statement and would like to take issue with the person who made it. If you feel you are out of your league here, then maybe you should have had the good sense not to even post in a place that was beneath you. From what I read on here with these women going at each other, that is what it sounded like. I am an educated person with a couple of hobbies and David Ruffin is one of them. I have been divorced twice and never endured the verbal attacks that I received here. I gave back as good as it was given and no one liked that. This is just a little click and as well it should be. This is a free country. Common you were dishing it out pretty out and are now standing back like you had no part in it. This is all petty and pointless. I posted Drexells board address to give some people options to go to a place that was not so dark and stressful. I apologize to her. Her board is already headed in a much better place. I am glad you all are able to spar and then come back to a place of friendship. TOO bad you dont afford other people the same.
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Common
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Nov 25, 2003 15:11:11 GMT -5
Post by Common on Nov 25, 2003 15:11:11 GMT -5
This what MB said in her second post:
Hmmmm, I was looking for some information from people I thought knew a lot about this man. I have just started listening to his old music again and am intrigued with all the recent happenings with the movie and all. I guess I am in the wrong place
Then this one:
Well thank you for clearing up some things for me. I thought I had read somewhere that he had written that one song but I was trying to find out if there were others. I guess there is not. There seems to be quite an undercurrent of hositility on this message board.....should I move on to something else about David Ruffin? If this is a board just for certain people, I do not want into something that is negative. I just want to learn more about David Ruffin. THis was the first one that popped up when I typed in his name on the interenet.
Now, how is someone to take these two posts that you put out there? If you come at somebody in the manner in which you did, what did you expect? I only posted ONE post to you & you preceded to go into a tirade with the name calling. I responded with a 2 sentence post & you continued to keep ranting. I wasn't pulling myself out of anything except explain my position, that's it. My point is why would someone want to post in a place where "women are going at it" & there's "undercurrent of hosility"? I don't get that & it doesn't make sense to me. If you wanted "friendship" then why come with that attitude? Look if I offend you in any way, then I apologize for that because we've had enough drama & don't need anymore. Okay? I'm out....
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Nov 25, 2003 15:28:09 GMT -5
Post by MB on Nov 25, 2003 15:28:09 GMT -5
Because there are people in here with knowledge and there seemed to be some good even tempered people in here too. Many went for the throat immediately with suspicions. There was no tirade, I just took up for myself. From what I have seen you have to in here. I apologize for any remark that was personally derogatory to anyone but I just wanted to ease in here without being eaten alive, but at the same time let some of you know that I would not be pushed around. Some of you people have the ability to tell a story about a David that is different than what that movie told about David Ruffin. He was a great talent but everything surrounding him seems to be dark. Why cant anyone tell the good about him with the bad? Why do people have to fight in order to talk about him? It seems some of you have been concerned about his family reading this, but what about the general public? There are a lot of younger people that want to know about him too. Is the the place to learn? I am going over to Drexells board. I have already learned more there in 1 day than I have in 4 days here. I havent been eaten alive and accused of anything. Good luck to you all. I am just in search of the whole picture of the man and his music. This board and these people are one part of it. There are many more pieces. So many of the talents of his day were bamboozled, stolen from and left by the wayside. SOme of the people that did those things to David and others are still alive and doing quite well. The big picture is till being painted.
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Nov 25, 2003 15:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Evita on Nov 25, 2003 15:37:55 GMT -5
HEY (((Common and CP)))) Drama??? What Drama??? I ain't seen no drama (excuse my temporary Ebonics) HOWEVER, I ask the question again -- I don't see any drama. Oh Well, Does anyone want to learn how to "Step"?? It is so refreshing to see people of all nationalites, cultures, age groups enjoy the music and the dance.
I only have this to say - ALL ARE WELCOME here, I for one know this BUT if you come in with your mind already made up about the Palace and it's inhabitants - then you're lost before you start because you DID NOT COME TO THE PALACE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now I ain't up for no arguing nor am I trying to show how intellectual I can be because that's not what we are here for. We are here for the love of the music. It's all about the music baby..... Alot of folks SAY they are about the music and the history behind it, but time and time again it comes out that they really aren't, the little innuendos and hidden agendas eventually do surface. Oh btw does anyone wanna learn how to 'Step? If you do, go to steppersexpress.com and see the videos. Any two-time Dennis Edwards big A_ _ was Steppin the last time he was in Chicago - ya know it's got to be fun... Erbody take it light.... Ahite... Peace... I'm out....
p.s. Temps Stepper cuts are: Stay, Love I can See, Losing You especially at the Dusty Steppers sets. And yeah, I love David Ruffin and his music. I just get tired of hearing negative about him when all I'm interested in is the music. I think enough bad things have been said about David. I feel this should be left alone especially since his children are still alive. Let the man rest in peace and spare his children. Those kids have been through enough...
((((Cheryl, Nedra, Kim, David Jr., Kelly)))) LEAVE THEIR DADDY ALONE....
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Nov 25, 2003 15:44:42 GMT -5
Post by Common on Nov 25, 2003 15:44:42 GMT -5
Because there are people in here with knowledge and there seemed to be some good even tempered people in here too. Many went for the throat immediately with suspicions. There was no tirade, I just took up for myself. From what I have seen you have to in here. I apologize for any remark that was personally derogatory to anyone but I just wanted to ease in here without being eaten alive, but at the same time let some of you know that I would not be pushed around. Some of you people have the ability to tell a story about a David that is different than what that movie told about David Ruffin. He was a great talent but everything surrounding him seems to be dark. Why cant anyone tell the good about him with the bad? Why do people have to fight in order to talk about him? It seems some of you have been concerned about his family reading this, but what about the general public? There are a lot of younger people that want to know about him too. Is the the place to learn? I am going over to Drexells board. I have already learned more there in 1 day than I have in 4 days here. I havent been eaten alive and accused of anything. Good luck to you all. I am just in search of the whole picture of the man and his music. This board and these people are one part of it. There are many more pieces. So many of the talents of his day were bamboozled, stolen from and left by the wayside. SOme of the people that did those things to David and others are still alive and doing quite well. The big picture is till being painted. Well, I'm glad you've learned something over on drexell's board because it was probably picked up over here. The fact that you are basing the hosility between two women that took place, almost 4-5 days ago & saying that people are here to eat someone alive is far from the truth. If that was the case, no one would post here period. There is alot more behind what happened & most of the people, excluding myself, knew David from the 60's up until his death. Nobody is here to "push" you around but that could be said about us as well. Second, we're not here to paint David as a "saint" but definitely not the devil either. Enough bad press & rumors have circulated around David for years. If we were just trying to make David look "saintly", we wouldn't even discuss that he had a drug problem. So your observation is a little off base. Most of the people here are not basing their opinions from what they saw in the miniseries but actual experiences & encounters with David. Another thing: I also think that you were looking under the wrong topic. There is a "David's Wing" which has extensive info about David over there. But, this point is moot now. Have fun!
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Nov 25, 2003 17:03:17 GMT -5
Post by MB on Nov 25, 2003 17:03:17 GMT -5
Thank you for the info. I just felt like no one wanted to talk about the man good and bad unless it was some personal thing between someone in this board. If people love or loved him so much, I would think they would want people to know the good about him and not hide the bad. But to argue over some stuff that can not be changed perplexes me. If all the women in David's life, his children, wives, etc had stood together after his death (set aside personal difference), I wonder what could have been accomplished in finding out the truth about his death, marketing his name so that his children would have been taken care of, etc. This point is moot also but I just wonder. His life seems to have been so full of strife and that is not the legacy a talent like that should have left. Look at how Elvis has been marketed. There were some smart people there. There were a lot of women in his life but every grandchild of his for the next 10 generations will live the good life. It makes me mad that David's music was not taken care of. Thank you for letting me have my say.
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Nov 25, 2003 18:03:26 GMT -5
Post by molly on Nov 25, 2003 18:03:26 GMT -5
Thank you for the info. I just felt like no one wanted to talk about the man good and bad unless it was some personal thing between someone in this board. If people love or loved him so much, I would think they would want people to know the good about him and not hide the bad. But to argue over some stuff that can not be changed perplexes me. If all the women in David's life, his children, wives, etc had stood together after his death (set aside personal difference), I wonder what could have been accomplished in finding out the truth about his death, marketing his name so that his children would have been taken care of, etc. This point is moot also but I just wonder. His life seems to have been so full of strife and that is not the legacy a talent like that should have left. Look at how Elvis has been marketed. There were some smart people there. There were a lot of women in his life but every grandchild of his for the next 10 generations will live the good life. It makes me mad that David's music was not taken care of. Thank you for letting me have my say. Hello Board. Mb It's unforunate that you judged the posters and content of this board based on a couple of hours over here. You only joined ths board Friday and you have in my opinion contributed to as much "drama over here as anyone. You are correct in your assumptons regarding posters at the Palace knowledge regarding David Ruffin. However I will reinterate what I posted to you before. Your post from the beginning were sarcastic and some of your remarks were very unneccessary. Every person that post here trys to bring something to the discussions regarding David's music. The argument that was raging at the exact time you joined had absolutely Nothing to do with you. However you chose to interject your unsolicited remarks. Your comments weren't consistent with a person joining just to discuss the mans music to me. It was obvious by your first question that you recently became a fan of David Ruffin. And I think that is great. 12 years after his death,he is still attracting fans. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the posters on this board were uneducated.,because of the argument. When you supposedly an "educated" woman engaged in the same type of behavior. I have re-read the post you made as well as the ones that were made to you,and you were responsible for as many verbal attacks as anyone else on this board. Those post especially made to Common and der. I will not address the comment about "housing projects" because I don't know what you meant by that ignorant statement. I am however, happy that you have found a place where you are comfortable posting. And I must agree with Evita and Common,If you have learned a lot over there,that info was taken from over here. I do agree with you in part regarding David's Legacy. Not so much about the marketing of the name,but his legacy should have been better controlled by his Family. His women? NO! His Daughters,Brother,Wives ect? Absolutely. Those are the people that Knew the true David Ruffin.
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Nov 25, 2003 18:52:41 GMT -5
Post by MB on Nov 25, 2003 18:52:41 GMT -5
I did not mean to imply that Davids women should have a part in his estate to his family, I just meant someone somewhere knew parts of what happened the last days and hours of his life. If I understand what I read David did not go long without a woman. There must have been someone he contacted toward the end. I just meant the women helping to piece together those last days whoever they may be. If it was my brother, husband, lover, I would want to know everyone that talked with him or saw him those last days. That is just me. I would talk to every woman and person that talked to him. It could be too that the girls and JR. know more than is talked about and just do not want the public to know. I dont know. I dont know that much about them. I would have taken out a full page add asking for people call in anonymous for tips. Everyone does not think that way especially when they are greiving. If I butted in, I am sorry. I just thought this was a public board. I have gone to several other boards about DR. They were not as agitated as this one but no one seemed to know him either. I have begun to go through some more parts of this. I am learning quite a bit. It is hard to take the fire from the rockets here when you just have entered the war. Take care. I hope you all enjoy his music as much as I do. ;D
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Nov 25, 2003 20:50:17 GMT -5
Post by molly on Nov 25, 2003 20:50:17 GMT -5
MB this is a public forum. It's common knowdlege that David was living with a woman in Philly at the time of his death. I don't know if David's daughtrer's or their mother have ever talked to her. I do know that she has been interviewed. She could probably give information regarding David's last days,but she was not With David when he died. I'm positive that David's daughters and wife Sandra know many details regarding David's death that the public doesn't know. And to date they are not willing to make any of this information public. As much as the public would love to have some of their questions answered,I feel this is the perogative of his family. His daughter's are grown women and they have the ability to look into many matter's regarding their father. My take on this, is simply they haven't to any of our knowledge initiated this action.So I'm of the mind that this is not something that they want to persue. With them having access to more information than anybody else then it leads me to believe that their doubts have been satisfied. This may be a subject that David's family deems personal and private just like his grave site. I have questions as well,but that doesn't give me the right to know the answers. Question Where did you read David wasn't without a woman long? I have never seen that in print.
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Nov 25, 2003 20:58:33 GMT -5
Post by Andy on Nov 25, 2003 20:58:33 GMT -5
Hi MB: I did you a favor when you asked, and I'm hoping you will do the same for me. Please tell me the following either on the board or off. 1) Are you Drexell? 2) Have you posted under other names before; which ones?3)Are you Devoted? I appreciate your kindness and thank you in advance.Andy
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Nov 25, 2003 21:29:04 GMT -5
Post by MB on Nov 25, 2003 21:29:04 GMT -5
Hi MB: I did you a favor when you asked, and I'm hoping you will do the same for me. Please tell me the following either on the board or off. 1) Are you Drexell? 2) Have you posted under other names before; which ones?3)Are you Devoted? I appreciate your kindness and thank you in advance.Andy Sorry Andy, I didnt see this post until after I saw the one where you were asking Drexell the same types of things. No I am sorry this is my first trip to the Palace and I am sorry I am not Drexell or who is devoted? (Devoted? Demented and I forgot the third one)ok. Drexell seems to be a sharp cookie but I am not Drexell. Drexell doesnt seem to have as sharp as a tongue as I do. No I have not posted here under any other name. This is my first time to the dance. There seems to be a lot of suspicion about who people are here. WHY? I guess I will ask who all of you are? I get the feeling that there are people here that knew David but that dont like each other. I think it is good that they try to still converse and get along even when they blow up. So goes life. Now Andy, can I ask you the same. You seem to be the peacemaker on this board. What interest do you have in it or are you just a fan? I am sorry about California Shrink but I know CS is not a shrink. CS doesnt talk the talk. I work with shrinks every day.
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